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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/06/2016 22:22

Nice pun, and I actually wouldn't mind replacing whirly in principle, but there is more urgent stuff, and isn't 16kgs washing in 30 minutes enough washing

So you know why tumble dryer water causes moss but rain dosnt (yet didn't think to put that in your really long post. Yet you don't know at the fast cycles on machines are never intended to wash the full machine capacity?

Even I know that and I haven't had to do my own laundry for almost 20 years

Zaurak · 06/06/2016 22:23

A 14 minute wash cycle is not going to clean kids clothes covered in general child detritus and ectoplasm.

Your wife is at the end of her tether. Talk to her. Really listen - to how she FEELS. Don't interrupt with logical solutions to emotional problems.

The thing about the moss on the driveway just beggars belief. Can you imagine how that made her feel? She's knackered doing laundry and running around the kids and you're hovering over her wittering on about moss and monitoring where she pours the water out? That alone made me feel suffocated.

Your post (and I just re read the whole thing God help me) reads like a rather stern schoolmaster nitpicking his charges, or the head butler critiquing the new downstairs maid. There's no love or affection for your wife in it. It's very sad.

I'd be very interested to hear your wife's point of view.

EarthboundMisfit · 06/06/2016 22:23

You are focusing on things that do not matter. All this energy on a bit of moss and efficiency gains from a sodding domestic washer. YOUR WIFE HAS LEFT. Focus on the big stuff.

YOU HAVE THREE CHILDREN AGED THREE AND UNDER.

Realise that it is highly unusual to have such a childcare challenge. This is about survival, not perfection.

Focus on your family, not the flooring.

gshavik · 06/06/2016 22:24

LastGirlOnTheLeft - Not really, it's not a cry for attention from her. I don't know her username so I can't say if she will grace this or not, the title isn't some catchword or phrase she'll recognise. Barring the fact she is one user out of {hundreds of thousands} of users chances are she probably won't notice it ever existed. Even if she does, so what. I don't mind either way. I'm here for your views good or bad, that's the only reason to hit F5

HopeClearwater - Yes pressure washing does damage. Blows the bitumen out between the stonechips. But whatever, as I said earlier this was a cathartic vent post that I'm actually glad I'm getting pro and negative comments because I and We can't continue as we are. Apart from the post being absurdly long and rambling, do you have anything else good or bad to contribute?

Antimatter - no problem getting to the tumble drier as that is about the two square feet of space you can get at as it is right by the door. And when I am doing the washing (it's not exclusive HER job, same applying for household chores such as hoovering, washing dishes, cleaning etc - I do plenty of all that too). And it's not the drain of my choice - either would do, her choice is to ignore that and carry on regardless.

GloGirl - I actually get your points, but at 10pm after being ignored by the wife since getting home, and the kids in bed by around 7:30 there isn't many things that could realistically be carried out other than go to bed and catch up on sleep or chill out for a while. Not really the time to be doing DIY. I do as much as I can do - folding washing, putting away towels, loads of washing etc etc. It's not black and white ME PROVIDE YOU CLEAN. I share in all the chores with the exception of ironing (I'm pretty crap at that tbh).

OP posts:
DioneTheDiabolist · 06/06/2016 22:26

OP, when I first read your OPs I thought "why does he keep mentioning Diet Coke?"Confused But I suppose it works in the context of catharsis.

thatorchidmoment · 06/06/2016 22:27

I see some of my husband in this. He is a pain in the neck but I love him to bits. BUT he respects me, despite occasional thoughtlessness, and prioritising different things to me regarding our renovation project of a house.

Your OP, and subsequent essay, is petty, nit-picking, and dripping with contempt. You do not respect you wife, and in her responses to you, I sense massive frustration. I suspect you listen to the words she says but don't have a clue what she means by it.

BestZebbie · 06/06/2016 22:28

It seems that you might benefit from the basic rule:
"Whoever does the task gets to choose how it is done".

So, if you don't like the way she empties water or leaves the dishcloth, the answer is that you do the tumble drying every evening and you wash the dishes.

This doesn't mean that one person can just be rubbish and force the other into doing all the chores, though - if you can't agree a fair division overall in which you both do the chores that irritate you most when they are "done wrong", then you have to share those chores and just live with it being "wrong" half of the time - life has some small compromises.

I think you'd also benefit from a bit of perspective: is your life going "better" in a house with a sticky floor but loving parents to three happy children, or with you as a lonely divorcee in a house with a perfect drive and seeing your distraught children and pissy ex every other weekend? You can have your drive for several decades when the children are back once a month visiting with their children - right now there are fires in your house that you need to put out asap, which can only be resolved at this stage of your life, right now, this weekend.

Myusernameismyusername · 06/06/2016 22:29

Problem is you are still not recognising the fact that this stuff is petty, despite everyone here telling you that it is. And that it has driven her mad with the expectation on her to be always grateful to you, even when she feels undervalued and miserable.
Don't be so pig headed - really ask yourself whether you want a big, super clean house, lovely moss free driveway and small washing line with no one to share it with.

shes stopped caring about what you want her to care about and you either have to fix that with her or just let her go.

BertieBotts · 06/06/2016 22:30

if something clearly causes damage to the house or whatever, why exacerbate by doing precisely nothing differently going forwards.

Well, several reasons.

  1. It might not be at all clear. For example (I'm sure you'll respond with a scientifically researched essay) it DOES bloody rain on driveways. Are you going out there to stand over the shady patches with an umbrella every time it does or something?
  1. It might be a massive effort to do anything with 3 under 3 and this one demand which you feel is small is just too much.
  1. It might be wildly inconvenient/a lot of extra faff to do it the other way. Again, even if you feel it isn't. It might be to her.
  1. She might have heard your concern and genuinely intended to change the way she does things but she doesn't have a perfect memory (due to juggling everything with kids and also not being "rainman") and so she's hassled the next time it happens and she doesn't remember.
HooseRice · 06/06/2016 22:30

Round of applause to OP for being such a saint.

newworldnow · 06/06/2016 22:30

OMG your poor wife. You are obsessed with the WRONG stuff. On and on and on and on about stuff that doesn't matter like you're a robot.

Any woman would find you impossible.

If you say you are on the spectrum then just stop with the drivel and listen to what SHE wants and what SHE thinks is important.

Sootica · 06/06/2016 22:30

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britmodgirl · 06/06/2016 22:31

You lost me at moss

pandarific · 06/06/2016 22:32

OP, you sound a very analytical person (also saw you suspect you may be slightly on the spectrum). A lot of the frustrations that are voiced on here again and again are to do in one way or another with unspoken gender expectations.

Your home life does sound divided along very traditional gender lines - you take care of the physical home, protect and maintain it, and provide via money. Your wife takes care of the children, and does all of the domestic sphere stuff.

Was this a conscious decision for you/your wife? Is part of your frustration maybe rooted in feeling that you're holding up 'your end' and it just seems to cause rows? If so, maybe re-examining where all those invisible gender lines have been drawn is a good idea, as your wife does sound like she perceives she does it all, and you seem to feel that you do too!

This is a good read

inabizzlefam · 06/06/2016 22:33

I have to admit I started to lose the will to live and read most of your posts, but not all.
Seems to me that you resent your DW being at home caring for YOUR DCs.
Every time anything in the home breaks down, goes wrong, needs repairing, it's all your DWs fault, eg overloading the washing machine, demanding more space to dry the laundry.
Last, but not least, I was pretty shocked at your comment that one of your DCs is "about 3.5". Do you, as the father, not know exactly how old your own DCs are? Might not seem important in the grand scheme of things, but just seemed odd and very distant to me.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/06/2016 22:34

Anyway what I got from that epic rant was you have brought a new washing machine and tumble dryer
You have 3 children under 4 who would all require paid for childcare if your wife worked outside of the home yet you resent her being at home.
She has hot showers and leaves cans of diet coke on the floor
rain water is different to tumble dryer water and this winds you up immensely.
She's stressed out
She wants a dishwasher
Your kitchen electrics are dangerious

You replaced a floor because you fancied doing so precisely when you did
Your garage is a mess
You winge about being a sole earner and money lots.
You have a drive that's your hearts desire

She wanted professional help with your relationship and you thought that was ridiculous.

You feel quite upset about the thought that she should stay in the house with the kids should you part company

You tried to offer her a cuddle at 1am and wondered why she was not impressed
And somewhere in there is 16 hours of gaming being compared to chatting to her mum and mooching on Mumsnet.

You do not like each other and are basically incompatible when you combine the demands of a young family.

Either fix that by mutual agreement and to mutual satisfaction or split up

ItsyBitsyBikini · 06/06/2016 22:34

I think communication is the key here. Neither of you are happy and neither of you come out of this smelling like roses.
My dp is similar in that everything has to be right, we don't have 3 kids though and I'll be going back to work after my maternity leave.
If he wants to sort out anything to do with the house, that I might not think urgent or important, it's up to him. He is working all hours, and at the minute, he'd be home too late to see our (as yet unborn) son before bed. However I know he'll compromise and so will I. We'll discuss things like adults and I have learnt never to post a rant about dp on here!

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 22:34

God you're a twat. 3 kids 3.5 and under? Sorry to break the bad news but the floor is going to get fucked again

😂😂

BestZebbie · 06/06/2016 22:34

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NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 06/06/2016 22:35

To be honest, if there is no acknowledgement of the core issues (as I see them hypocrisy, irrational double standards), then actually how can we even make up? The base issues would still be there.

These are not the core issues. They are what YOU think are the core issues. She very obviously believes the core issues are completely different.

Despite your epic essay, you do not say with any clarity what HER core issues are. Have you even listened to/heard them? You are not acknowledging HER core issues. You don't get to unilaterally define what is and what isn't a problem.

You talk about her as if she is just another malfunctioning appliance.

Your sentence about only expecting to have to bring up a 'problem' once, and she should modify her behaviour immediately, is creepy. She's not an employee of yours.

She suggested counselling, which would be an excellent way of solving the poor communication between the two of you, and you decided it was nonsense and that 'she'd come around'.

YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

She is just as important as you. Her issues are your issues too. If it's not working for her, it's not working for both of you.

You've expressed no love, no insight, no empathy for her. You've dismissed her. You've judged her and treated her like a poorly performing employee.

You absolutely ABU, and there is no way your conscience should be clear.

BestZebbie · 06/06/2016 22:36

Also:

Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*
newworldnow · 06/06/2016 22:36

Your wife sounds pretty normal but OP you most definitely should recognise that you are not recognising the real needs of your family.

I hope she never returns and you can be free to show contempt to your next victim.

Its not HER its YOU.

mushroomsontoast · 06/06/2016 22:37

My GOD you sound like my ex husband. No matter what I did, I did it wrong. Anything we bought HE paid for, because HE went out to work and earned it. I just sat around in Costa all day Hmm

Now that he's my ex I use metal on Teflon pans, I overfill the washing machine, I stack the dishwasher badly, I chop onions the wrong way... Guess what, the world hasn't ended.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/06/2016 22:37

Realise that it is highly unusual to have such a childcare challenge. This is about survival, not perfection

op FYI think minimum £50 per child per day (day being standard nursery day and not 6-6)

dodobookends · 06/06/2016 22:37

OP, I ploughed through your long post and I can actually understand where you are coming from. However... what I'd like to ask you to do is re-read it yourself and try to find all the places where you talk about feelings and emotions rather than things. Because try as I might, I couldn't find any.

You are working long and hard hours providing things and solutions and perhaps that is where you and your DW are different. She will be totally exhausted and emotionally drained by the overwhelming 24/7 demands of children and housework. You are overwhelmed by the need to provide material goods and to come up with solutions to problems.

There was no point in replacing the floor - you have 3 young kids and it is only going to get ruined again. She knows that, and now she has yet another thing to worry about and take care of. Your DW is half-buried under a pile of washing most of the time, and yes, she does need to do umpteen loads of laundry. She genuinely hasn't got the time or energy to worry about moss growing on the drive, even though she knows it frustrates you.

In a busy household things will get broken and worn out. Your DW is one of the things that is now worn out and pretty much broken. How are you going to fix this?