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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

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gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

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clarrrp · 06/06/2016 21:52

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Misnomer · 06/06/2016 21:53

I'm sorry. I couldn't read your whole post either but I'm with your wife. Laundry has a bigger priority than laminate flooring. It's endless and she needs all the help she can get. And I get the car too - given that your children are so young getting three children into a five seater can be a right pain.

So she's gone off for the weekend with the children and told you to grow up. Perhaps, rather than spend your time listing her faults on a public forum, you could spend some of that time reflecting on your faults and how you can both move forward.

Toffeelatteplease · 06/06/2016 21:53

Right the spectrum information was rather important. No? Confused

I suspect you have missed rather a lot of social cues here. You need to find a safe environment in which you can both talk about what's bothering you.

Yes if something is bothering you you will find it hard to drop. But at the same time your wife really isn't there just to make you comfortable. Her priorities may be very different from yours and vice versa, yours might seem petty to her and hers might not even feature on your radar. She may need to make it more clear to you when you have overstepped her boundaries, almost safe word thing. You may need to make it more clear when you are uncomfortable.

If you are quite high functioning spectrum kinda of thing i suspect you underestimate how much time she puts into supporting you and the range of support you need. This will lead to her feeling undervalued and any additional tasks you put on her will automatically feel like just another demand. Start recognising what she is doing and you will be amased how much more she wil do.

All too often it is when children come along that partners have less time and energy to support each other that "spectrummy " relationships really struggle. There are no 3 little people whose needs are as, if not more important, in your wife's eyes to yours. ( Especially if any of the kids also start displaying autistoc trait.)That is right and natural. But I suspect you might find it hard to adjust.

Oakmaiden · 06/06/2016 21:53

And there's always something a bit suspicious about a man who appears on Mumsnet to moan about his female partner's use of Mumsnet.

In fairness I don't think he was moaning about her use of MN. I think he was complaining that it seems to be OK for her to spend lots of time on MN and other social media, but the second he starts to use a computer for recreation she gets stroppy.

I am struggling to see what you wife's pov would be, though. Perhaps she would be happier if you spent less time sorting problems that don't really require that much time spent on them?

She is definitely pissed off with you. I don't think it is fair to say who is "to blame" - neither of you seem to be communicating well. You need to start a conversation in which both of you LISTEN to each other rather than trying to prove the other is wrong.

3isthemajicnumber · 06/06/2016 21:54

I have 3 children as well. Please please tell
Me how your dw has managed without a dishwasher. I can't fathom it.

ChocolateChangesEverything · 06/06/2016 21:55

That is an hour of my life I will never get back Confused

HeddaGarbled · 06/06/2016 21:55

You say that you love her but you don't sound like you love her. You don't even sound like you like her. That very long and very detailed account of everything she has done wrong sounds like anger and irritation and disapproval and criticism. Your subsequent posts are also extremely critical of her.

Why do you want to stay married? You don't like her, you don't like living with her, your contempt for her is obvious. Let her go.

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Iknownuffink · 06/06/2016 21:56

She sounds rather spoilt.

You have to work in order to provide, she has no interest in actually taking care of things.

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clarrrp · 06/06/2016 21:57

I have 3 children as well. Please please tell
Me how your dw has managed without a dishwasher. I can't fathom it.

There are 7 of us and we manage just fine without a dishwasher.

PalmerViolet · 06/06/2016 21:57

My DS is on the spectrum.

He's not this much of a picky git.

Honestly buddy, let her go, she'll be so much happier without you and you and your fucking awful tarmacked driveway can live alone in all your pedantic glory, while she finds someone who isn't going to treat her like a twat.

Wife of OP: Run, run for the hills and don't look back. Just pour BUCKETS of water on the tarmac first.

ellie264 · 06/06/2016 21:57

You're clearly making an effort to be a good husband and father by providing for your family and looking after your home.
However, perhaps you are focussing too much on the little things? Your wife would probably much rather have some help doing the dishes (or a dishwasher) or a bigger washing line to make laundry easier than an immaculate drive and floor. Yes your wife could probably do things better around the house, but she probably feels like crap when you point out everything she is doing 'wrong'. Do you ever tell her what a good job she has done cleaning the kitchen after making dinner, or how much you appreciate having clean underwear? Try and let the little things slide and allow your wife a bit of slack if the house isn't running completely ship shape!

Kudos on working hard on your own business and providing a good home for your family, by the way. You do sound like a good guy, you're just getting hung up on the wrong stuff.

FledglingFridge · 06/06/2016 22:00

she has no interest in actually taking care of things.

What, like the 3 kids? Jesus man, 3 aged 3 and under. Give me a 60 hour week and some DIY any day.

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 22:00

I got about 3 paragraphs in to your first post and already found you infuriating.

You don't seem to like your wife very much.

You seem to have little to no respect for her.

I can just TELL from the way you write about it that you constantly rub in her face the fact that you pay for everything

And then I got to this -

It seems she is rather fond of Mumsnet and has been quite an active poster, generally whiling hours away of an evening,

And I was fucking fuming on behalf of your wife.

Despite there being literally THOUSANDS of forums online, you felt the need to come to one that you know she frequents; HER space, where you know she's likely to read this......then have an epic fucking rant about her?

On the strength of what YOU YOURSELF have written, I can completely see why she's left.

Poor woman.

Quiero · 06/06/2016 22:01

I tried to read it, I really did but it's just so self indulgent. I did pick this bit out though that tells me all I need to know:

"She would still continue to pour water all over the drive, or leave Diet Coke where it’ll spill, or destroy the Teflon pans with metal utensils (don’t get me started…), or leave dishcloths lying in stagnant dishwater rather than rinse them out, or yank/slam drawers to destruction, or jam so many coats on the back of a door coat hanger than the door literally splits the door frame at the hinges, or any one of a number of things that I have (or haven’t) stated causes a problem. I’m not a nag,"

I bet you fucking are...

ladyballs · 06/06/2016 22:01

OP it sounds as if you can't stand your wife.

timelytess · 06/06/2016 22:01

So, now that you have an Asperger's diagnosis (no-one off the spectrum would write so much about so little - believe me, I live it)

Erm, the marriage. Well, you sound like a bit of a pain in the bum, frankly. And she, like a lot of wives, sounds horribly bossy. So why not be sensible, split up and move on?

kerbys · 06/06/2016 22:02

Cut down on the detail OP, it's mind boggling.

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 22:02

If the wife in this story IS reading.

Stay with your Mum and Dad. Any man who follows you onto a forum for a passive aggressive dig must be hell to live

Too fucking true Fledgling.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 06/06/2016 22:03

You weren't kidding when you said your OP is 'very long'.

Who does this, really? I think you are using this form to rant at your wife, hoping/knowing she will see it.

LauraMipsum · 06/06/2016 22:04

It sounds like you're constantly telling her off about something. That would get on my nerves too.

And what Toffee said.

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 22:04

Who does this, really? I think you are using this form to rant at your wife, hoping/knowing she will see it.

Exactly.

I wish the men who keep coming on her me to do this would just fuck right off.

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 22:04

*on here to

Fairenuff · 06/06/2016 22:04

Sorry OP you will really have to re-write that without all the waffle.

I stopped reading because I didn't see the relevance of most of it but it seems clear that neither of you want to be with the other any more so her leaving is a good thing, right?