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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
BIWI · 06/06/2016 21:25

If she's as bad as you paint her, then what on earth is the point of staying together? From your posts, she doesn't love you, want you or respect you.

However.

If she's asked you to go to counselling before, and has left you telling you that you need to grow up, perhaps there's something in that?

Toffeelatteplease · 06/06/2016 21:26

You may have a few minor greviances; (actually only one 'real' one the taking care of stuff the rest seem really petty and ridiculous) If the way you raise them is anything like the condescending patronising speech making you have written here, I am really unsuprised DW told you the shut the fuck up, am amazed by her restraint and be unsuprised if this didn't act as a prelude for divorce.

Of course if all her "crimes" are in your eyes as heinous as you present them here that is clearly a good thing.

If you do want to take preventative action I suggest the only word out of your mouth is sorry

Oysterbabe · 06/06/2016 21:27

TBH your life sounds fucking miserable. I'd be biting her hand off if divorce is what she's after.

iremembericod · 06/06/2016 21:28

WTAF was all that?

Didactylos · 06/06/2016 21:30

I was trying to couch a serious point with a bit of flippancy
but you really sound hard work
and I would love to hear the other side of the narrative

I suspect that washing all your dirty linen in this relatively public forum, where you know she reads will make an end to the whole thing soon

gshavik · 06/06/2016 21:31

SnowFairy - yes - fix/do/replace this then 'you are not spending time with the children' dumped on me after.

And for the haters, like I said, this is one side of three in any argument - I'm under no illusion I will be biased in my pov.

Point of fact is that I'm consciencious I'm on the 'spectrum' somewhere more towards the Rainman side than not , I don't necessarily pick up on social cues or whatever like most normal folk might. I probably dwell to much on trying to fix problems and somehow seem to just create more.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 06/06/2016 21:34

You've written way too much. I just about managed the first post TBH. I hope your post is not a reflection in how you talk.. because I would just loose the plot.

You need to be concise and to the point or people dealing with you will loose it.

Can you put bullet points on the specific issues to get constructive advice?

Some observations.

Your kids are very close together in age and that has clearly put a strain on things. Better family planning would help.

Childcare would cost a fortune anyway for the three of them.

I am always a bit perplexed how some women just decide they won't work any more with no discussion.

If she wants to sort out the issues she needs to talk. In the meanwhile you have a tight to see your kids. So I would contact her and ask if you can pick them up on Friday or Saturday and have them for the night.

scallopsrgreat · 06/06/2016 21:35

I can see why she's checked out. I too couldn't get past waiting weeks to get a new washing machine whilst you made sure you got exactly the right one. Despite clearly having no clue about washing clothes. I expect she can't get past that either.

The rest is 'Blah, blah, blah....hmmm....beer'

And it really is quite nasty to post on a forum that your wife frequents.

grumpysquash3 · 06/06/2016 21:36

Blimey, it's just as well you have your own business. Imagine how long your CV would be!

I am not sure what question you are asking.....

Roooby · 06/06/2016 21:37

OK here's my twopenneth worth.

You don't seem to respect her (although you do acknowledge how hard it is for her with 3 kids to look after), She doesn't respect you, and all you do in terms of the financial and household support.

What do you want?

You repeating years worth of frustration, and vice versa won't help either of you.

There seems to me to be a lack of understanding of what both of you contribute to the relationship.

What does she want? Has she told you properly, as the complaints about you being on the computer seems more about her wanting some attention?

YounicorneNumbers · 06/06/2016 21:41

Dear God but that was hard to read. I did guffaw a couple of times at the very extreme petty bits (the temperature of her shower for example [boggle]) but the thread running all the way through your post is utter, utter contempt. Quite unsettling I have to say.

She's gone - you speak barely a word about feelings of love or loss or desire to improve things - you've written 4,000 words - mainly about white goods and moss. I'm a bit baffled.

Not cool to use this forum if you know this is where she comes either. Why didn't you post this on pistonheads? Don't they have a sub section devoted to "my wife is an ingrate"? It wouldn't surprise me

In conclusion - dunno.

123itsme · 06/06/2016 21:41

If you are this long winded and boring in real life I can understand why she left .

Zaurak · 06/06/2016 21:43

Hmm... Are you one of those who thinks helping is embarking on a long winded DIY project which you actually quite enjoy but isn't actually helpful (and coincidentally gets you out of the house.?)
So the house is a mess, the kids are running riot, your wife has been up for thirty hours straight but you're helping, because you're constructing a gazebo/resurfacing the drive?
Because if so, that's not helping. That's being 'in the shed.'

Otherwise, you sound rather hard work and you sound very unhappy in your marriage. Perhaps talk to your wife? Listen to how she feels? Recognise that not all issues are X-->y problems to be solved logically, but are often about recognising the feelings of the other.

sue51 · 06/06/2016 21:44

Read the post, phew. 3 kids and made to wait weeks for a washing machine while you weighed up the options, that's ridiculous.
You sound like a nag who gets upset everytime your wife does not do exactly what you want.
The 7 seater car is the only thing I sympathise with you on, who wants to drive a minibus.
You sound controlling and your wife has stopped listening to your moaning.

ThomasRichard · 06/06/2016 21:45

Having read it all, it seems that things around the house are very much on your terms e.g. she brought up the subject of a dishwasher and instead you decided to redo the living room floor.

You work very long hours which means that she has three very small children to look after all day and then spends the weekend doing 'family' things or looking after them while you do the DIY of your choice. She then gets constantly criticised for doing things 'wrong' around the house and her requests for things to make life easier are ignored (new washing line!?) with a pat on the head and a patronising explanation of why they're just too tricky to do right now. She asked you for marriage counselling to try to work this out and even that request got refused.

If I were you OP, I would go and get a job where you don't have to work such long hours or bring work home. Yes, you are building up your own business and no doubt you think it's for your family's benefit, but right now what she is seeing is that you are choosing to work long hours instead of being available to be a husband and father. Put as much effort into researching this as you do into buying a dishwasher and then you'll know whether it's feasible for her to continue being a SAHM too, thereby saving your family at least £1k in childcare fees each month.

I'd also make sure that she gets a serious break from the children, because it sounds as though she is beyond exhausted with it all. You know how relentless they are and she is experiencing that 24/7. No quiet time in the car, no option to take a lunch break. It's too much for one person to handle and stay mentally healthy. No wonder she spends her evenings being so listless: it's mental overload.

I hope you can take this on board OP. For you, providing financially for your family and doing jobs around the house demonstrates your love for your wife and children. For her, you're acting like you are the sole decision-maker in the equation and failing to recognise her exhaustion. Not physical BTW, but mental and emotional.

BertPuttocks · 06/06/2016 21:46

You have three children under the age of 4yrs and you are surprised that they generate a lot of laundry?

I would've thought that with three children who all need to be in car seats, a small car was never really going to cut it either.

How did your wife manage without a car or without a washing machine for those weeks when you were busy weighing up all the pros and cons of which ones to buy? Presumably it was a good thing that she'd already narrowed the car down to a 7-seater or she would still be waiting for you to decide...

If you aren't interested in counselling, what exactly are you proposing to do to help get things back on track?

Samoyedy · 06/06/2016 21:46

Sorry to sound mean OP but you sound like an absolute nightmare to live with from your posts. I couldn't live with a DP who moaned at me about everything and about things that REALLY don't matter I'd be so fucked off if my DP told me not to pour water onto the drive because of some moss wtf!! Confused

BertieBotts · 06/06/2016 21:46

And the 7 seater car, while it might not have ever had seven people in it, presumably fits three of the bulky type of car seats straight across with no problems, unlike 99% of five seater cars.

gshavik · 06/06/2016 21:47

SandyY2K - Yes when a forum says you've exceeded 15000 characters then somethings up. I've found that the biggest problem is being concise. I nearly wrote this (or very similar minus the last few weeks) some months ago.

The age gap was intentional as we were both rapidly reaching that point of life where it would cease to be any option.

Scallops - She didn't wait, I replaced it before the old washing machine packed in. She knew I had been looking at one for that time period. I'm probably too obsessive in trying to make the right choice rather than a quick choice. That's just me. As for this being nasty to post on the forum she frequents, well she's posted plenty about me before so I don't feel so bad about that. It's not an attempt to shame her or some hope she reads this - it really isn't - I don't mind either way if she does or does not. I've heard what she has had to say, but I don't have any other sounding board to speak of, so why not the views of some complete strangers for a different voice.

Roooby - I actually do respect her in many many ways. She is a strong character, and I know how much of a handful the childrend can be. Yes I think it is the attention she wants, yet she will just sit and dick about with her phone or laptop instead. I just see it as contradictory if using my computer, which really isn't all that often on balance, is such a problem then why is it not a problem in reverse?

OP posts:
purplefox · 06/06/2016 21:48

Do you spend your days constantly nitpicking at what she has/hasn't done?

YounicorneNumbers · 06/06/2016 21:48

Also, it still not as if she's asking for bloody jewellery and furs either is it? She wants a sodding washing machine, a washing line and dishwasher. Saints preserve us from these demanding women. Oh and a big enough car for her to pick up the three DC's and a friend for a play date/girlfriend and kid or whatever.

Jeez.

CinderellaFant · 06/06/2016 21:48

You sound like a nightmare to live with! She leaves Diet Coke places where it may get skilled? Pours water on your tarred drive? So fucking what? She's a human, a pretty exhausted one by the sounds of it. I'd be off too if you lived with me!

FledglingFridge · 06/06/2016 21:49

If the wife in this story IS reading.

Stay with your Mum and Dad. Any man who follows you onto a forum for a passive aggressive dig must be hell to live with.

JoyOdell · 06/06/2016 21:51

I really hope she doesn't come back.

Zaurak · 06/06/2016 21:52

Christ I missed the bit about no washing machine for weeks.

For that alone, you are massively unreasonable.

At the end of the day, you are getting plenty of time off. Working a 60 hour week is still less than looking after three tiny kids 24/7. It's relentless. She must be physically and mentally exhausted and 'touched out,.' A few hours in bed at the weekend is not really enough.

Meanwhile you criticise her showers or go on about moss. Jeez.

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