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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
GabsAlot · 07/06/2016 14:02

i feel for op here hes getting a rough ride

he sounds like hes dfeinitely on the spectrum of the weighing things and cleaning it right u might need some help with that and get an official diagnosis

did anyone read the post about how the wife blackmailed him into coming bac when she left or used things she found about him into making him feel bad?

im not sayin he doesnt do the same it just seems like people are harping on about diet coke but missing the important parts of his post

so what if he wants to fix the roof before it caves in-wish my DH would think ahead like that

youdo need counselling though op i would agree with others about that

GabsAlot · 07/06/2016 14:05

also the op did say he does alot of the washing up housewhold chore so everyone berating him for that should really read all the ops post not tjust the big opener

HelenaDove · 07/06/2016 14:16

YY Bee On the spectrum is often trotted out as an excuse when the person behaving in that way happens to have a penis.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 07/06/2016 14:24

Disorganization leads to inefficiencies that impact the entire family.

Then employ a business team to run your household. You're not the CEO of a corporation with your wife deployed as your staff, you're half of a partnership. A dynamic social process based on a good relationship, not time and motion studies. A business model will not work, it will not love you back.

Are you aware that each time you mention her your choice of words reflect disrespect? I read your wording as belittling her, ascribing her poor motives and that you see her as a lesser being to you. It's also clear from your choice of words you resent that she is a SAHM and instead of seeing this as a partnership time of the two of you working in different ways as a team for the benefit of your family, you associate the one who brings home money as the superior who owns that money, has the right to call the shots and I wonder if at some level your expectations are that if you are having to work while she stays home and you are 'keeping' her then you expect her to produce housework and wifely care to your standards to justify your expenditure. And you want to see some sweat.

Bottom line: if you do not like this woman, if you do not respect her, if you do not enjoy sharing a home and family with her, (and it does not sound like she is having a lovely time either) - why are you both wasting your time like this?

AristotleTheGreat · 07/06/2016 14:29

gsavik, I have a DH who is also on the spectrum. Very similar attitude to you too except for one thing - he had no idea he was on the spectrum when the dcs were little so was convinced he was 'right' (and therefore I was wrong.

Read what Laura has written. I wish my DH had seen that at the time, it would have help immensely!
Talk to your DW about the autism stuff. IT's not bad a get out clause but me understanding what AS meant means that I was able to find ways to communicate with DH that were more 'efficient'. Starting with being very clear with what I wanted to say rather than expecting he would get any inference.

Last but not least, stop doing EVERYTHING.
From your posts, I end up with the feeling that you are taking over everything and that everything has to be done to your specification.
Learn that your way isn;t always the only way. She can do things her way and it is different but that's OK too.
The washing machine dies, fine, it's ok if she is choosing one at Currys and has it delivered on the day. It doesn't always needs day us and days of investigation.
It really reads as if she has given up on any input in the house and is 'letting you' what needs to be done because she feels she cannot possibly do it to your standards (or you will argue that xx needs checking first etc...). But she needs that input because she is the one to use said appliances. That house also needs to feel like her house iyswim.

AristotleTheGreat · 07/06/2016 14:36

Bee the issue here is that people on the spectrum WILL behave that way too.

My DH is on the spectrum and that's exactely what he does.

The difference between a twat and someone on the spectrum is that some on the spectrum will be happy to try, make amendments and generally do his best because he is not behaving the way he does to annoy you. He is doing so because that's his default position, what 'works' for him.
What the OP is describing is exactely what may DH would do. Or rather what he DID.
Because he learnt that he had to accept that my ways of doing things were OK too. And I learnt that I had to giuuve him some slack too.

Now that we have worked out 'rules' of behaviour in our house that work for both us, it doesn't feel that the AS is an issue at all until I am inviting friends over.Things are balanced and he is nowhere near acting like a twat.

dodobookends · 07/06/2016 15:00

OP I really hope that all the many posts on here have opened your eyes to the bigger picture. Earlier on I asked you to re-read your first post. Now I'd like to ask you to do something else.

Find a sheet of paper and write down on it a list, in order, of the 10 most important things to you.

What are they? What are the top 4 things on your list?

StVincent · 07/06/2016 15:15

Wonderful post, Laura, especially:

"If she tells you she needs a whirlything, don't say "yes but...," trust her. She loved you enough to marry you, she's not going to take advantage of you with superfluous whirlythings." :o

HopeClearwater · 07/06/2016 15:20

The way the OP comes back, seems to concede a minor point but then uses hundreds of words to argue the toss and keep his end up is totally depressing. He's like a character from a bad sitcom. Not that they have sitcoms on BBC4, do they.

StVincent · 07/06/2016 15:21

Thankfully not! I know some people who work on BBC4, reckon I could get them to make a public information announcement about Treating Your Wife with Respect and Affection and Not Being a Dick About Moss?

awhfuck · 07/06/2016 15:22

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ChipsandGuac · 07/06/2016 15:28

This thread is like the world's weirdest consumer review.

awhfuck · 07/06/2016 15:31

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Loubilou09 · 07/06/2016 15:36

Blimey OP you have been given a really hard time and I have absolutely no understanding why. Okay I haven't read the whole thread but I gave up when I read that apparently your work is nowhere near as hard as looking after 3 children - unbelievable......

Your wife sounds exhausting and a pain in the arse quite frankly. It would infuriate me living with someone with so little respect for your wishes or your joint belongings.

I feel for you and if you have managed to keep your patience with all the bloomin "advice" you have been given you are a good person. I read through most of your first post thinking what a good guy you sound!!

thatorchidmoment · 07/06/2016 15:39

Oh dear loubilou.

Somebody needs to cancel the cheque.

Loubilou09 · 07/06/2016 15:40

Why on earth should someone have to "bite their lip at diet coke spills"

One spill would be enough in this house, if either of us spilled diet coke all over the place we would be mortified. It is completely unnecessary for anyone to leave a drink in a place where it can be spilt - how difficult is that to comprehend?

Similarly I would get really pissed off by unnecessary moss building up because someone couldn't be arsed to pour the water down the drain. That's just bloody lazy and hugely disrespectful...

shakes head at all of the posters telling you that you should put up with this sort of crap and accept it. UN BELIEVABLE.

awhfuck · 07/06/2016 15:41

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StVincent · 07/06/2016 15:42

There you go, OP, there is one possibly imaginary woman in the world who agrees with you. Elope, I would. You'll never get this chance again.

hewl · 07/06/2016 15:43

My dh can be a bit like you OP. IT'S really annoying! He will disappear off for a day to cut hedges /do some anal garden chore that means he doesn't have to spend any time with the dcs. I put my foot down and now he has to 'book in' garden time, never for a whole day!

I wouldn't ignore my dcs completely for a whole day to clean out the attic and I don't expect him to either

ChocolateChangesEverything · 07/06/2016 15:53

Grin StVincent

ChocolateChangesEverything · 07/06/2016 15:55

Is loubi one of those sock-puppet thingamebobs?

ThatStewie · 07/06/2016 16:01

I have read this whole thread with one thought running through my head "I hope her parents aren't arseholes too. And they step up to help because there is no way this man will remove his head from his ass long enough to recognise he isn't the centre of the universe"

lemonny · 07/06/2016 16:08

I read through most of your first post thinking what a good guy you sound!!

"Most "? Op even your supporters couldn't make it through the entire thing.

LauraMipsum · 07/06/2016 16:14

Why on earth should someone have to "bite their lip at diet coke spills"

Because accidents happen, it's life, and if the OP takes a spilled drink personally now, then he is going to have a nervous breakdown when he has a 13, 14 and 15 year old.

I don't think anybody's suggesting the OP's wife should pour diet coke on the floor just for the lulz Confused

dodobookends · 07/06/2016 16:15

OP what your wife needs right now is understanding and empathy, and to have the tools in place to make life easier. She doesn't need to have things explained to her so that she can be more efficient, or to look after things better.

To give you a (work-related) example. Say you employed an admin person in your office and their desk was at the opposite end of the office to the only printer/scanner/copying machine. It is there because that was the only available electrical socket.

They spend their time printing, scanning and copying many documents, on different paper - headed, invoicing, coloured, payslips, plain etc; and this means constant walking to and fro to change the paper all the time and to pick up printed work. They are frustrated by this and say so. What is the correct solution?

A - Replace the printer with another with many different paper trays? (useful but expensive and doesn't solve the location issue)

B - Explain that it would be much more efficient to save all the documents and only print them out when you have all the ones needing particular paper so they don't have to keep walking back and forth to change it all the time? (logical but a frustrating nuisance)

C - Say "Oh, I see what you mean" and put in another socket and move the darned printer to beside their desk? (practical and makes their working life easier)

(They would want 'C' by the way)