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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

DRY 12

999 replies

HowBadIsThisPlease · 01/05/2016 20:12

Old thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2584735-DRY-11?

The thread for people who want to kick the booze

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Lucy2610 · 10/05/2016 17:06

Slim Flowers

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 18:05

Slim try not to panic until you have concrete news. I can really throw myself into the anticipation of disaster and drown in it leaving no strength to deal with the actual difficulty if and when it arrives.

A whiff of pending bad news is a devious excuse for me watch it doesn't trick you slim thinking of you x

lilybetsy · 10/05/2016 18:08

Hi everyone.

welcome to cheep, sybil, IAMS and miss cookie, lovely to have you here Smile and well done on your sober days

cheep I sympathise. My DP drinks way too much and of course, now that I am dry I can see it much more clearly... I stopped drinking once before for 8 months, but this time I'm pretty sure he is drinking more heavily. I don't know the right way to handle this, i just know that I HAVE to be sober. I have told him this, and to be fair he was pretty supportive the first couple of weeks, - not drinking in the house etc.
I second Lucy that in fact liver function tests as performed are a pretty poor indicator of liver damage ie when they start to go off you are in quite serious trouble. and non alchoholic fatty liver disease ( NAFLD) is indistinguishable from alcoholic liver disease on scans or biopsy - the clue to what it is called is in what the patient tells you. If they say 'I drink 10 units a week' they are likely to get labelled as NAFLD... so it is likley that you husband drinking IS causing liver damage. certainly if you go back to the GP and say he is drinking 70 U a week i would expect a referral to a liver specialist, if the LFT are deranged.

Also agree re asking for referral to local drugs and alcohol team. They are hugely helpful in most places and can support you both to stop drinking - with advice, resources and if necessary medication to make managing the withdrawal easier.

Or you could source a local AA meeting and give it a try ?

sybil and matron I am sure we learn from every sober period and each one makes us more likely to succeed the next time...

cooee - enjoy the bounciness, you really descerve it

Thanks vxa, Lucy and FWL fro your support yesterday. I am feeling a bit more like myself today, I didn't go to work as I woke with a headache and have 4 trip to the loo in 1/2 hour ! sorry if TMI. However I have had a productive day in completing some work for a diploma I am doing, photographing my shoes (don't laugh) doing some washing and ironing, and being here for the DC when they got home. Had rather a viscous text row with DP re his compete lack of any input into household chores. Don't know why I bother to raise it as he just dismisses me and becomes defensive and aggressive, comparing his input with that of the children ? wtf ie he does more than them.

This is of course just code for all the things we NEED to discuss but can't - ie the fact that we have had sex once in the last year, the fact that we don't want the same things out of life, ( or rather we do, but I am the only one earning money to pay for them) the fact that he dislikes my son, the fact that we are not married which has bothered me hugely etc etc. We discuss nothing any longer and DP refuses to go for counseling. so stalemate. Until as I explained, my boredom will turn to active dislike and the it will all be over ...

Oh yes I have a lot going on in my head...

Being sober is essential so that i can sort my life out. I've buried all my frustration and unhappiness at the bottom of a wine glass for 30 years. And now, now I AM strong enough to deal with it. This is not all his fault. I hate confrontation and tent to stew rather than confront things , so they fester. But his defensive and then aggressive response to even the mildest criticism doesn't help.

Day 60.

love and hugs to you all, and everyone I haven't name checked This is rather long and dull and me me me again . so I will sign off

Lily x

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 18:26

lily your post reminds me of the question I asked myself 'if I had a different life/relationship/job would I still need to stop drinking' the answer is always yes.

Very specifically the clear view of my marriage sober is the most significant threat to my sobriety. The problems are glaring at me and willing me to do something about them when I am sober. Fuzzy drunk I muddle along shouting and forgetting and ignoring my way through my issues. Lack of intimacy is torture for the soul.

SlimCheesy · 10/05/2016 18:27

Hi all. Just checking in before bath and bedtime routine with DS. Thanks for support. I am mainlining herbal teas, stomach too tense to really want alcohol, so that is good! I am feeling quite pleased with myself on that front). DH still in meetings. No real idea what is happening. He sent me a text at 4 pm to say it was bad but he could not discuss and he would let me know when he got out of the meeting.

Lily only skim-read your post, will read properly later and come back. Thanks tp you.

thanks to everyone. Thanks

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 18:30

Oh slim that's not good. Stay strong we are here if you need to off load later x

Sybilramkinvimes · 10/05/2016 18:42

slim Flowers

Very very interesting reading the posts here about better decision making and clearer thinking. An excellent reason for being af. I've noticed that cope better and feel calmer (well, a bit, am never going to be zen:) ).

lucy thank you for the paws info. Good to know. I am going to count from 2nd January 2016 and think of October as a practice run before getting it properly together.

Much better day today - got lots done, productive at work, had a run, currently catching up with you lot over a cuppa.

There isn't a solidarity icon. Have some Brew instead. Have a good evening, all.

Lucy2610 · 10/05/2016 19:02

More Flowers for Slim and anyone else who needs them :)
Seeing the reality of our lives unblurred can be a pretty earth-shaking thing so go easy on yourselves. Nothing has to be done about them now. Focus on getting sober and strong and then think about them. Good advice I was given is not to change anything in the first year as we are still adjusting and major change can have a destabilising effect. Plus my feelings fluctuated on an almost hourly basis in the early days so I needed the more steady ground of a good stretch underfoot to trust my own emotions and instincts. Self-care, self-care, self-care Star

Cheepireep · 10/05/2016 19:21

Thank you.
You are so very kind on here.
Lily...if only dh was drinking only 70.
I wonder what would happen if I pleaded with him to get his liver looked at/ referred for counselling. I ve hinted that that is the way we are headed but am scared to start something that will come between us and worried it has to be his choice anyway...
Besides. Am struggling tonight. Am crap.

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 19:22

lucy thanks that just prompted me to google 'sober self care' and a little guest post from Mrs D popped up. Some lovely examples of self care, little things that can be slotted anywhere in to the day. I will try to link

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 19:23

www.livingsober.org.nz/tag/self-care/

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 19:26

cheep can you distract yourself with something else? Change the pattern of your evening? Maybe go for a walk or simply go to bed now.

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 19:28

Mrs D wasn't the guest.

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 19:30

yellow how are you? It would be a lovely thing to hear from you if you are lurking xx

jojo how's tricks? Have you got your your sober armour back on tight?

SlimCheesy · 10/05/2016 20:18

Hi all- DH just rang and is about to get on a train home. Seems the company is going under (we have been suspecting for a few weeks though) but that seems to be just the beginning really. He'll be home in an hour or so, so I am twiddling my thumbs. I am so tired. Have moved to coffee hoping it will give me a lift.

Lily so much in your post. I hope you feel really better very very quickly. Good you had the day at home today. How is your evening going now?

lilybetsy · 10/05/2016 20:34

slim I really hope the news is not as bad as you fear... Flowers for you

FuzzyWhiteLegs · 10/05/2016 20:44

Evening all!

Cheep how are you doing? Don't hesitate to post here if you need to chat.

Lily I could have written so much of your post. As you know I cannot offer any advice in this area so instead will offer solidarity; you are not alone in any of this!

Hope everyone is ok tonight. I was thinking of some posters who appeared briefly but have since disappeared - GingerSam, MakeSomething, JourneyOn, Hadron - and anyone else out there lurking, I hope you are all doing ok.

Off to get changed into something more comfy then yoga time for me.

Ooo yes, I meant to pick the collective brain; I am in the need for sobriety on screen; anyone have any tv/film recommendations at all?

FuzzyWhiteLegs · 10/05/2016 20:46

Sorry Slim Sad
Can you tuck yourself up on the sofa with a hottie and a warm milk or something? Too much coffee would make me jittery!!

jojomo · 10/05/2016 20:51

Hello all, mondays and tuesdays are a bit mad for me with stuff on but have been reading and thinking of everyone, particularly slim and lily.

cheep try and stay strong, going to bed is sometimes the only option!

Am doing ok here, have tackled the problem of my birthday head on. Am due to go away with my two oldest girlfriends (weekend after next) and usually it would be cocktails etc. They don't know about how badly alcohol affects me these days and I wasn't sure how to tackle it. I didn't want to make a big deal out of it but wanted to say something in advance to ease the pressure to drink on the night. Have spoken to them both today and basically just said that my tolerance level for alcohol seems to be zero for whatever reason and I end up with sleepless nights, anxiety and mood swings and so I've decided to stop drinking altogether. All of which is true and they don't need to know anything else. They were a bit taken aback but fine and I'm relieved that it's out there. Now I just need to stay strong on the night!

I agree we need a solidarity symbol!!

MatronLittle · 10/05/2016 21:13

Hey jojo good plan. Still have the fanciest non alcoholic cocktails on the menu though and desert and spend some alcohol money saved on a killer outfit Grin

jojomo · 10/05/2016 21:17

Oh yes, I'll be having all the sober treats matron! Did you start reading Jason Vale?

Lucy2610 · 10/05/2016 21:18

Fuzzy ahangoverfreelife.com/2014/08/19/addiction-recovery-movies/ A list of 30 :) Fill your boots Grin
Slim I'm so sorry it wasn't better news :( Brew

AbsoluteBeginner · 10/05/2016 21:44

Really interesting list there lucy. Not sure I would be strong enough to watch drama about lives wrecked through alcohol I know I couldn't watch Leaving Las Vegas for instance. I wept bitterly during Crazy Heart although that one had a happy ending, the scenes of Jeff bridges paralytic were really upsetting to me. I am obviously just soft Angry Bird posted the angry bird cos it's new, should it be the solidarity symbol?!

HowBadIsThisPlease · 10/05/2016 21:44

Just catching up. So hectic.
Really great posts, so much food for thought here. Thank you everyone.

Lily and Matron, the relationship stuff is killer. No point in regrets now - I try not to allow myself to wonder what life could have been like if I had chosen a partner sober, consciously, and with self esteem. (that was what I found so hard about seeing all those people running races and congratulating each other with love)

My P / ex-P / whatever he is, is not a terrible person, but that tight hand clasp of solidarity and respect just isn't there for me and if I had understood what that was, and if I had been sober, and thought about it, and looked for a person that I could have that hand clasp with (the funny thing is I can sort of remember, early on, when it occurred to me that I wasn't exactly being supported, and I was in love, and decided it didn't matter, and I was strong, but I didn't realise that it isn't about needing support, it is about a clasp) , maybe ...

  • maybe nothing. I have my darling girls, I have lots to look forward to, I have my health (don't deserve it! but I have it) so, the rest of my life starts here.

I really appreciate all the great posts on here. thank you everyone

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HowBadIsThisPlease · 10/05/2016 21:45

Slim - thinking of you in this turmoil - hope things work out for you as well as they can

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