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FreeMo - Part 3

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AngryMo · 29/03/2016 13:54

New Fred Grin

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AngryMo · 17/04/2016 04:45

I can't sleep. Is anyone around?

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AngryMo · 17/04/2016 04:46

At least I know there is no hope now at all.

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AngryMo · 17/04/2016 04:57

Sorry oops, that might have sounded a bit ambiguous. It's all fine. Luckily my friend was online too so we've been chatting and feel better. I just had a panic moment. Good night!

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AngryMo · 17/04/2016 05:24

There is a thread in discussions of the day about how people run their family finances. I'm almost in tears - some of joy actually: The vast majority have joint accounts, and share everything and even if one earns more than the other or doesn't earn at all, they don't usually have to ask for money and are seen as equal regardless.

I CANNOT believe I had to find a man who just doesn't think like that.

It is totally normal to share money equally in a relationship. I say this like it's a revelation to me, but I've never had that so I'm just saying it to myself.

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AmIbeingTreasonable · 17/04/2016 06:02

"It is totally normal to share money equally in a relationship. I say this like it's a revelation to me, but I've never had that so I'm just saying it to myself."

Yes it's family money regardless of who has "earn't" it!

PhoenixReisling · 17/04/2016 06:58

No wise words mo but Flowers for you.

I just cannot believe well I do that he wants you to explain your expenditure re: uniforms and outings over the Easter holidays! Who the feck does he think he is Angry.

The next time you have a wobble, please remember this; you have told him the relationship is over. Initially he put an extra £50 into your account (to keep you quiet) and now as obviously he thinks that everything is the same, he is still abusing you and he children.

Like others have said, don't explain (as when he has to pay CMS, you don't have to explain anything) and claim those benefits now.

notapizzaeater · 17/04/2016 08:46

I'd send the cms forms in now and start fighting for your share that he will have to pay with no stupid strings attached. He's so controlling it will blow his mind !

RandomMess · 17/04/2016 09:15

What about asking him to itemise how much he spent in the 2 weeks including when he was away? Then remind him that there are 4 over you over here to feed and entertain and therefore need at least 3 times as much as him... Once he has itemised his spending since the 1st March to now you will be happy to do the same seeing as though you are living on a shoe string looking after his DC full time so that he is able to work and have an abundance of leisure time?

Mamia15 · 17/04/2016 09:30

I was going to say the same thing as Random - ask him for a itemised list of his expenditure.

He makes me feel sick. I know some tightwads but he really is something else...he is extremely abusive.

tribpot · 17/04/2016 09:31

You know when people are working away on a client site all the time, companies give them what's called a per diem to cover incidental daily expenses, because no-one on either side can be arsed keeping receipts for and processing hundreds of minor transactions? Yet you're meant to account for every penny. I like Random's idea of asking him to itemise his expenses too - why not?

I think the fact that you've been underestimating your true expenses for fear of reprisals is both very telling and also of course counter-productive. You have no other source of money so unless you can actually trim the cost to what you've estimated you're going to end up in debt. Which then reinforces his message that you can't manage your finances.

I think I've said this before on a previous thread but my DH is a SAHD due to long term illness. I do ask him what he's spent money on but only because I do the budget so I need to know what to allocate the spend to. He doesn't buy very much as he can't get out much but will then tend to want something big (like a smartwatch, say). We talk about when we can afford it but not if we should. No-one should have to live feeling as if they are beholden to another person in that way. That said, short of ill health I would never, ever want to lose my financial independence. I'm sure you never will again.

Grumpyoldblonde · 17/04/2016 09:56

Oh lord, he gets worse and worse. Hope you are ok Mo and managed some sleep. Itemise your expenses indeed - 'No, I won't do that, our children need uniform, end of'
Maybe in a way, this latest shit is a positive thing, you have been wobbling as we all understand ,this must be the final nail in the coffin surely?
Does he still not understand this relationship is over? He really is the most controlling bastard and I am sorry you have been lumbered with him so long.

AngryMo · 17/04/2016 10:06

I've been struggling with a response so thanks for suggestions.

Grumpy my thoughts exactly. I was softening and that's why I was wobbling. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt like I always do. I am now ready to fill out the CMS form, ask my friend's husband if he can come and do the lock (because I haven't a clue how to do that or I'd do it myself) and am going to call my parents and friend who's offered to loan me some money how much they could lend me for legal fees. I need £1k to start with, but it could escalate to anything from £5-10k if it goes to court. Scary amounts. But I don't care, he's made me so furious all I can think about is kicking his arse.

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AngryMo · 17/04/2016 10:19

Just sent a rather angry email. The following words were used: NO, separation, child maintenance.
I'll be calmer when I see him in person, I promise.

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kittybiscuits · 17/04/2016 11:22

Your email sounds perfect x

OrlandaFuriosa · 17/04/2016 11:29

Mo, my blood pressure has gone up just thinking about this.

Put down your actual expenditure. Don't inflate, because if you find yourself in court you don't want top appear to have lied. Say to him that you have borrowed to keep afloat.

But say you will only be prepared to share this information if you receive in return his itemised expenditure for the equivalent period, with his income.

Be calm, reasonable, factual. Ie adult to adult. Remove yourself from irritated child to controlling parent, which is how he is wanting to position you.

Now, calm, breathe, tea Brew

Akire · 17/04/2016 11:37

That's great Mo well done. Love the asking him response too. You working harder and longer than he is no nice meals and treats for you!

Sorry you did t sleep well but glad you had company. Think borrowing money is great idea- he dosnt have to now where from, but you can drop
Into conversation you have a solister and you are getting good advice. He thinks he can get best advice and you will have nothing!

Akire · 17/04/2016 11:40

Also good about the lock - it could wind him up but shows him you have preparations if need be. That other people know (and fitted it) that it's not a 5m blip you will get over once he mansplains it to you.

Akire · 17/04/2016 11:42

Just had wicked thought - we could get you some T-shirts printed with little "FreeMo" logo on one side. He will think is a brand, you know you giving him message! Armour lol

DollyTwat · 17/04/2016 11:55

Sorry you couldn't sleep Mo, the only upside is that all the things you run through your head means that you are well prepared when you speak to him

You've proved that your are in fact a magician with finances, contrary to the label he's given you.

mamas12 · 17/04/2016 12:20

Keep that anger there to drive your families rights forward
Please do not send him any info re how much you spend how rediculous and exactly demonstrates how abusive he is just present that email alone to anyone who questions you!

Don't give him any info about anything else freemo
Keep everything you are doing to yourself
There is no need for hi to know
It will only be ammunition for hi. To use against you in His own twisted way so the least he know about you and your plans etc the better for you.
He may rant away at you but take a deep breath and walk away into you locked room or I to the car and drive away. If he stops you call

PhoenixReisling · 17/04/2016 12:38

I agree....keep quiet about everything now.

It's actually a good thing that he emails you, because this is evidence of his financial abuse which he cannot shy away from.

I'm pleased to read you are getting the lock fitted, he may well be furious at this, but tough shit!

Loubilou09 · 17/04/2016 12:44

What a complete and utter arse, I CANNOT believe he has asked for itemized lists in the wake of everything that has happened. But in a way a good thing because you know now for absolute sure that this guy is never ever going to change irrespective of what he might say when he gets home. I am shaking my head here trying to understand what on earth is going on in this morons brain.....

I love the idea of a T shirt with FreeMo on it!!!! ha ha ha that's brilliant and could really work as something to keep the anxiety in check.

Keep going!!

PhoenixReisling · 17/04/2016 12:50

Just a thought mo

You could get name tags printed (you can buy them online) and iron FreeMo tags onto ALL your clothing Grin

AngryMo · 17/04/2016 12:55

I've been a shaking panicky mess all morning, lack of sleep hasn't helped. I'm baking to keep my mind off it but it's actually impossible to stop thinking about it even for a few seconds.
He's just lost a close family member. If something like that doesn't remind you of the important things in life then nothing ever will. He's demonstrated time and time again that the only thing on his agenda is keeping his bank accounts as fat as possible and holding on to as much as he can for himself. I honestly cannot wait for him to learn his lesson in the hardest way possible. I don't think he can hurt me any more than he has. As long as I have my children I'll be OK. Cliche maybe but utterly true and utterly truthful.

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mamas12 · 17/04/2016 12:55

It will be tough when he gets back and you are face to face with him we all,know that
Your plan of spending the least amount of time with him as possible is the best.
He will want to make you account for yourself (urgh know what that's like) but do you know what you don't have to account for yourself.
You have made this decision and he cannot do anything about that. Don't engage harder said than done because he will try to get through to you pressing all your buttons and using his arsenal of emotional abuse and manipulation he is used to using.
Please try and get someone to be with you at your house too, friends with children, family etc., it will be harder for him to abuse you in front of others
Good luck

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