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Hushabyemountain98 · 14/03/2016 09:33

Good morning. Welcome to my new thread. I hope that all my MN friends will join me and maybe a few new ones!xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 14:17

Good Afternoon Kirk,
Good luck for when you see your ex this afternoon.
I hope you can stay calm and that it doesn't upset you too much.
Thinking of you xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 14:29

Good afternoon pizza,
I am so sorry to hear that you have been so poorly and that you have had to go through it alone.
I am sure that your cat will forgive you.
I hope you continue to feel better.
Sorry that you keep crying. I know how that feels.
Please do not look at Facebook. I have done exactly the same thing. The only person you are hurting is yourself. My son blocked that page so I do not look.
Try not to think too far ahead as it is terrifying. Just deal with the next few hours.
Sending you a big hug Flowersxx

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louisatwo · 23/03/2016 17:28

Hush,
He's been following 'the script' hasn't he. Gaslighting you repeatedly. He's been emotionally abusing you throughout with this behaviour - these aren't the actions of a kind person. I'm glad that you can see some progress for yourself. It's not a linear progression is it? More a roller coaster of up and down emotions (with the occasional reverse just to throw you off course).
Has your solicitor been able to advise you about what kind of settlement you'll get? I hope that they're on the case for you.
xxx

Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 18:16

Hi Louisa,

I used to say that he was doing a 'Gaslight' on me.
I did start to wonder if I was paranoid, crazy or mad. My Counsellor last time assured me I wasn't.
This time though he has been extra cruel and that is why I am feeling so bad.
I was so glad to have a long conversation with my eldest son late last night. He was away and he rang me as he could not sleep. I began to wonder if my sons were getting fed up with me!
I do not know what kind if settlement I am going to get yet.
If I knew that maybe I would feel a bit more secure.
My solicitor seems to know what she is doing.
Xx

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pizzaeatingmonkey · 23/03/2016 18:55

Kirk oh the irony, thank you for your supportive words. I keep on FB as that's where I can contact my 'support base' and it has been a great help....until it's not.
So, a notification pops up so I click on it: it's HER posting a photo of cakes and flowers with a message saying HER boyfriend ( insert HIS name) has got her the best birthday presents. I nearly threw up, this was all on his page so all our 'mutual friends and family' would see it and we hadn't told all of them yet!
I looked at the photo again and he'd got her flowers from the same online florist as I recognised the card and bought her Rachel's Cup Cakes which is what he got me!

I put 'oh, he got you the same cup cakes as I got for my birthday'. I changed my status to the sad news that I really didn't want to broadcast over FB but 'seeing as I had been dramatically outed' I had no option. I put that if people wanted to comment to do so by Private Message as we were trying to stay friends for the sake of the cat.
Bad day gets worse. Tried to drink tea..still can't drink tea. I'm sipping water. I need to get the money sorted before I delete HIM.

WTAFF · 23/03/2016 20:49

Hi Hush. The way you've been treated is shocking. Obviously this is something which is going to take you a long time to get through.

However, this is not your fault. you seem like the most thoughtful and kind person. I'm Glad you've got your sons to support you.

Xx

Kirk123 · 23/03/2016 21:00

Pizza , I was livid when I read your thread , so cruel of him and her , I went to see him with some paperwork and the same old victim story , not happy, spending all his money on her blah blah , I must sell house , blah blah , he says he is going to end it tomorrow he cried a lot , I cried a bit but did not let him near me !!! I was so strong ladies . What a day with have all had yet again ! Good night I am exhausted ❤️

Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 21:02

Good evening pizza.
You can still keep Facebook but just block the individual you do not want to see.
Sorry you cannot drink tea. At least you are having some water.
Please take care of yourself.
Thinking of you xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 22:16

Thank you WTAFF for your kind message.
You still go over it in your head. Was this my fault?
What else could I have done?
I read the things she wrote about my dh and it is not right.
It makes me feel awful and sick.

How are you today? I hope you are okay?

Goodnight xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 23/03/2016 22:19

Kirk glad you got through it.
Good that you stayed strong.
I hope you sleep tonight.
Take care xx

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PiscoSour66 · 23/03/2016 23:50

Evening all. I hope everyone is ok. Well done kirk for keeping strong, it must have been hard. Do you think he's genuinely regretting what he's done or are they crocodile tears? pizza I'm always a bit taken aback when I hear of how ex's take their new girlfriends to the same places, buy them the same gifts etc as they did before for their wives. Completely lacking in imagination. There was a post about it on Chumplady. I don't have that problem as there were very very few presents and no outings! Louisa well done for starting your own business, that must give you a lot of satisfaction.
Good night Hush
Good night all.

Kirk123 · 23/03/2016 23:51

Night hush , laid here thinking after I saw him today my love for him is not what it was ? He is not my husband any more , he has lost himself , he is a liar, a player , weak and pathetic and I hope he realises that the grass he went to is full of cow dung !

PiscoSour66 · 24/03/2016 00:06

Nice one kirk!

pizzaeatingmonkey · 24/03/2016 01:08

He's blocked me so that solves that 'problem'. We all seem to have had a pretty rotten day, I don't believe in mantras and mumbo jumbo but I'm going to have a good day tomorrow, and I will buy some fruit tea when I go shopping as I will be healthy enough to go shopping. Love to all xxxx

notonyurjellybellynelly · 24/03/2016 03:52

A hard day all round, for all of us. Its like being operated on without an anaesthetic. Ouch! We need a group hug. xx

Over the last couple of days Ive had quite a bit of contact with my husband so I brought the subject of our son up with him. Why, despite knowing he was so unwell has he still not visited him? Why, despite knowing he is now on depot injections, the same kind that your schizophrenic friend is on have you not even asked how he is? To be frank it kills me that he doesn't consider our son as anything but someone he provides for every month, but I had to ask because our son must think about him at times even if doesn't ask about him. And I can't even compose a story about where he is because just what would I say? If I tell my son where his dad lives it would be a nightmare because he'd want to go there every week to his favourite fast food restaurant - there isn't one here. And to be honest I can even say he's dead because as sure as fate he'd rise from the dead and pop in the next day.

Anyway, I brought our son up and he said - what injections? So I said, its all in the messages Ive sent you. What messages? So it transpires that out of 11 messages sent to him in 9 days he was able to find two in his phone after pulling over to the side of the road to look. Its been obvious to me and the children for a wee while now that the OW can access his phone and has been doing jiggerypokery with it but trying to get him to take it onboard has been difficult - our eldest girl has tried and now only messages him in Arabic. Though I don't know why he's been reluctant to believe it because from day 1 it was clear the OW had a 'thing' about phones. Its her modus operandi. But then I suppose that even though he knew she was capable, he would still deny it even though the seed had been planted.

The bottom line is that he said, I believe you! And he's now going to take his phone to an iPhone shop and go through it with a fine tooth comb in order to find how she's managing to do the things with his phone that she is. We know there is a shared iCloud because like me he really is a techy dinosaur and I know she will have set his phone up for him. But out off all of that was the fact he said to me - you wouldn't lie to me, Im sure of that. Hmm

But thats all besides the point and its a good example of how when we've been brainwashed over decades, as well as being treated appallingly - it can be very easy too slip back into needing approval and comfort from these guys when the least bit of niceness crops up.

So his reasons for not seeing our son - well, he doesn't want to come here because he doesn't want to see me in case I bring up old things. But there is also the fact that seeing our son the way he is really hurts him! So basically its all about him - its how coming here could affect him. And it gets worse because when he took on board his phone is being tampered with he said Oh dont worry, I will find out about this - because why should I be denied the chance to know whats going on in an emergency? So again it was all about him and nothing to do with - you should know that if you have to contact me you'll be able to get me!

Then there's what happened when he said, I want to see him, and when I told him thats great but it will take a wee bit of planning the first couple of times for quite a few reasons he then rejected everything I said. Said I was making too much of it! Ehm, no love, our son is really unwell and we are trying our best to keep him on a level playing field - and no, Im not suggesting these things to you because Im trying to control you!!!!! Its what he always though in the latter years - that even asking what time he would be home for dinner was me trying to control when he ate.

So next morning we were on the way to a local hotel with our son for breakfast. It was a trip where we were doing 3-1 care and it had been planned since last week on the provision he was well enough to go. Husband phones en-route and says Im coming to see DS. I told him we were out and he says - ok Im coming to the hotel! And of course I had to say no, Im sorry but you can't, because he's been doing this trip this way for years and if you just turn up even under normal circumstances it will confuse him, amongst other things, and he might then decide to not ever go back again. The autistic mind is like that but its still painfully my husband still does not have a scooby of an idea! Not a bloody scooby! Even though our son is 25. He just doesnt bloody well get it and its all down to this me me me me syndrome thats part of his broken personality.

In the end he said I'll wait till the medication kicks in because DS can be very volatile and I wouldn't want to get hurt!!!! So I just said great idea love, but I wont be going out when you do come to the house so your going to have to man up enough to see me as well as DS!!!! Grin Oh and I also said, this business of it hurting too much to see him, its not about us but for what its worth it hurts me as well but where would he be now if I'd taken that approach from day one.

So another can of worms has been opened and Im going back to my counsellor to mull it all over with her. Some people may say oh just leave it, your son doesnt have to see him, and that may be true, but for practical reasons like when my husband does die we have to have him in my sons life now.

And the great help he's been to our loved one - well thats another thing that's opened up a new thought process. Does it have to involve my counsellor, and not a friend? Yes it does, its the nature of the beast, and to be frank I love the life I have with the people around me. We wasted too many years with him dominating every thought I was awake and around people - its not happening ever again. My counsellor is like panadol - you take it when something hurts!

Kirk123 · 24/03/2016 06:25

Notonyour , thank you for sharing all about your son on this thread , why oh why are they so selfish I agree everything you say it's all about them still ! You sound like a wonderful mum, take care, let's hope we are have a better day ❤️

WTAFF · 24/03/2016 07:01

Hi Hush, I'm fine thanks for asking. My friend is still in contact with the man online dating man who keeps asking her for money. I think a small part of her still thinks that he is genuine.

I hope today is a better day for you. I can tell you now (without knowing everything about your situation) none of this was your fault.

Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 07:16

Hi Kirk,
I am glad that your feelings for your ex have changed. Hoping that will help you. Hope he falls over in the cow dung!
Have a good day xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 07:20

Good morning pizza.
Probably a good thing that he has blocked you on Fb.
I really hope that you manage to get out to buy yourself some fruit tea and maybe you will see something else you feel like eating or drinking.
i hope you have a good day. Take care xxx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 07:26

Hi WTAFF. I am glad that you are fine.
Sorry to hear that your friend is still in contact with this man online.
I hope she realises that he is a fraud and that she doesn't give him any money.

I hope that today is a better day for us all.
xx

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Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 07:57

Good morning notonyur.
I am so sorry you have been having such a hard time.
It must be so difficult for you to try and explain to your son where his Dad is.
How can these men be so selfish?
As for the OW what a selfish b*h she is tampering with his phone so he does not get messages about his sick son. Awful!

Doesn't he think that seeing your son every day the way he is hurts you too. But you haven't run away and left him.

I hope that he will come and see your son when it is good for him(your son)and you. Not just when it suits him.

I hope that your counsellor will help you.

I sat yesterday and looked through old e mails and I found a few that were really nice and caring and made me cry. Then I found the normal ones that made me feel awful where he was the only one that did anything, the only one with a job, he had a stressful job and he had to deal with all the crap at home etc etc. The reason I was looking at the e mails was because although some were horrid they were to me from him and now I have no contact and I still miss him. How pathetic does that sound. Here come the tears again!

I hope that you manage to have a good day. How is your toe?
Sending you a hug Flowersxx

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PiscoSour66 · 24/03/2016 08:31

Good morning all.
That's such a heavy weight to carry by yourself notonyur, to deal with the challenges posed by your son, the day to day ups and downs from your other children, and on top of that having to tell a grown man what needs to be done.

These men call us controlling, indolent, question our motives and say we're not right in the head, but they know that actually we are copers, resilient, resourceful and hard working and above all we will take care of their children above anything else. They know this and use it to their advantage.
It's like looking for clues hush isn't it? Not with regards to their shenanigans, but the state of our relationships. I did this too, going through texts between us and there is nothing at all to suggest that something was so deeply wrong to make him do what he did.
It's all a bit heavy isn't it for this early in the day! Grin
I hope everyone has a good day x

Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 08:41

Good morning Pisco.
I think the reasons for me looking at the e mails from him is because it was contact good or bad. When he was not carrying on he used to call me and e mail me every day and now I have nothing.He doesn't care whether I am alive or dead.
Sorry I have to close as I do not want to ruin my laptop with the tears on the keyboard.

xxx

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PiscoSour66 · 24/03/2016 08:53

Yes, I get the contact thing too. I think how other people see him every day at work, his family get to see him every day too, the sheer amount of time he spends with her, yet our children get crumbs when it's convenient. And yes, if I'm honest I crave the contact too, because I still miss him. I read on mn once about a woman who looked forward to mediation sessions because at least she could see her ex.
I sometimes fear I will become like this too!

Hushabyemountain98 · 24/03/2016 09:13

Hi Pisco. I am glad you get the contact thing too. So I am not quite an oddball.
I told him not to contact me recently as all I get from him now is about finances and what I am stopping him doing.
Somehow or some when I have to try and get over these feelings.
I am still waiting for the anger to kick in.
He is probably on a transatlantic flight today and I am sure that I am not the one in his mind.
xxx

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