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Why do some men who leave for OW treat their exes with such contempt?

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ChooChooLaverne · 25/02/2016 10:26

Just wondering about this as it's happened to a couple of my friends recently and I really can't understand what goes through their minds. Wonder if anyone can enlighten me.
*Disclaimer: obviously I'm only talking about some men here.

So the scenario goes something like this:
Couple have been together/married for a long time and have children. Woman is plodding along in the relationship unaware that anything is wrong. Man suddenly starts acting horribly, picking fault with the woman and comes out with the "I'm unhappy/not sure what I want" speech. Woman bends over backwards trying to sort things out only at some point later down the line to discover there is another woman.
Relationship ends and man becomes completely unreasonable about sorting out finances and childcare. Tries to get the woman out of the marital home, seemingly aggrieved that he is having to pay money to her (even though it's for the children), makes unreasonable demands about wanting/not wanting to have the children, and he talks to her in a way that is disrespectful and downright callous and lacking in empathy.

What prompts someone to behave like this? I get that he might paint her in a bad light to excuse himself for cheating on her - but I don't understand how he doesn't feel some sympathy for how she might feel and I really can't understand the level of contempt.

Can anyone explain this to me?

OP posts:
iloveberries · 25/02/2016 14:55

dilys of course you know him. I was just shocked at that statement. But I'm sorry you had to go through such an awful time.

Didn't mean to come across as lacking in MH understanding. FWIW I've had some dark dark times but always thought i could never do that (despite being close) because I wouldn't want to leave DS without a mum. But I definitely didn't mean it to sound like all people who Committ suiicide are selfish.

I hope your kids are ok - and you too

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/02/2016 14:56

ilove, give her a break. really.

just...sometimes things are just too large and incomprehensible for rational comment. or to even get your head around. so how can you even speak about it?

and frankly, reading about the kids that weep and feel 2nd best, as they see their step siblings get treated better than them. That's a fucking LIFETIME of fuck ups

god this thread is brutalising

may they ALL fall face first into dog shit

dilys4trevor · 25/02/2016 15:01

As anyone who has been through something shocking and dreadful knows, there is no right or wrong way to feel.

My H was emotionally abusive, insanely jealous of me and neglectful of his children....as well as cheating on me flagrantly at the place we both worked and where I held a very senior position. And making no secret of it by the end. Not so I would find out, as he didn't think anyone would tell me, but so everyone else would know and I would be humiliated. Oh and he was also an alcoholic and regularly got pissed out of his mind whilst in change of our baby.

I also know (pretty much for fact) that he killed himself as a 'fuck you' to me. And left his kids.

So am I glad he killed itself and saved us a life time of shit? Yes I am. And I don't care who is 'shocked.'

clashofclanswidow · 25/02/2016 15:11

Well despite the nature of this thread it has been somewhat of a comforting eye-opener to me!

Ex-partner left me pregnant at 20 weeks and is now with someone else. I'm not sure if cheating happened during or not now but I'm past caring.

But he never asks about his baby and always talks to me with such attitude, like I am the one who left him in this situation!!! It always made me wonder what I had done wrong, which seems ridiculous now!

Not a nice subject but always good to come across threads like this as they act like healing, building blocks to make sense of it all and like one poster said - his decision to leave his family and shack up with someone elses, will forever be on his conscience, so no wonder he's being a tw*t! =)

Not saying he's not entitled to a life of his own but there's no need to be so goddamned rude to someone, who is trying to be civil to someone they could quite happily kick in the balls! =)

DontCareHowIWantItNow · 25/02/2016 15:19

I think sone times they do it because they know someone will always pick up the pieces.

My DH exW left him for OM and has had a string of men since.

She puts men, alcohol and drugs before her DC.

She now has only indirect contact with them. I can't ever see her relationship with her DC being repaired.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/02/2016 15:24

I am glad clashofclanswidow is getting some consolation Grin

dilys, you have NO need to defend or explain yourself, when you said that I kind of guessed at what your partner was like.

I hope you and your 3 DC are coping as well as you can XXX

dilys4trevor · 25/02/2016 15:39

Thanks Stop. I thought it was pretty obvious too.Hmm

PosieReturningParker · 25/02/2016 16:38

Usually the cheating comes first, then the spite, then the faux "I don't know what I want", then he leaves, then he reveals his "new" relationship....

ricketytickety · 25/02/2016 16:43

Lust. It makes them override their 'this is wrong, don't do it' voice. Then, they cheat and become used to ignoring the 'this is wrong' voice. Then, when they choose the ow they are ready to victim blame because they can't possibly admit to themselves they dropped their moral standards and it must have been her fault. Self denial. Self preservation. Compartmentalisation.

ricketytickety · 25/02/2016 16:46

On top of that, the dw gets upset and angry, which then gives them more reason to say 'see, it was her fault. She's mad.' It feeds their false belief system, created to save themselves from the shame and guilt of admitting they have actually done wrong and hurt someone close to them. All along, the inner voice will be saying 'this is wrong,' but they create a false belief system to override/shout down this inner moral compass.

SoThatHappened · 25/02/2016 16:49

I havent RTFT but a male colleague said to me once, sometimes guys do that. Because they know they have been utter shits and acting as though the ex is/was a bitch helps themselves feel less shitty about what they did.

Deliberately spoiling for fights so they can say look we dont get along, you're a bitch, I'm out.

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/02/2016 16:56

I have come back to this and am stunned at how many of the posts here resonate with me 100%. Some of the stories are horrific Flowers. I have long wanted to start a thread like this but having done my story to death on the Relationships board, I didn't want to be a complete bore-fest. Thank you OP for starting it.

My now ex-h left me in October 13 after 14 years together. I had one DD and together we had one DS who was 2 1/2 at the time. It took me a little while to find out about OW. She was somebody known to us, we first met her in 2002. Unbeknown to me, my ex-h had been in touch with her throughout our marriage. She was also married and had one DS. I subsequently found out that her husband had been killed in March 13. I believe they were having an affair at that time. My ex-h says they "bumped into eachother" only two weeks before he left during which time he cancelled all our utilities, cleared out the bank account, re-registered his business at hers, and put himself on her council tax. He sacked me from our company without notice or pay and left me on benefits. As you do. Within a couple of weeks I received a petition for divorce on the grounds of my "unreasonable behaviour" Hmm that was so full of shit I confronted my ex-h to which he said "I had to say something". Basically, he made it up. He had not told his solicitor he was having an affair. He told me that the divorce had to be my fault, that OW couldn't have any "slight on her business and reputation" and had enough money to "wipe me out" if I basically didn't do as they said. I shan't bore you with the quite astonishing email I received from her. I didn't accept their version of events and thus the shit hit the fan...

It was all my fault. I was cold, frigid (except when he was shagging me during the week before he left obviously), I had no emotion, I was a shit wife, a shit mother, he stayed to protect the children from me, I had never made any financial contribution to the marriage (of course not, worked and paid the mortgage throughout). If it wasn't for OW, he would be a "broken man". What an utter wanker. He KNEW what he was saying was bollocks, but he had to do it to cover up their shitty, vile behaviour. Then she started....he assaulted me in front of our DS and was arrested. She wrote me the vilest email telling me I was a "nasty, horrible no mark", "if you were so great, why did he leave", "something off of Jeremy Kyle, two kids by two different fathers", "she was bored my pitiful bleating", I was "too vindictive to see reason". Oh it went on and on and on. Prior to that I had had some other shit, nasty emails from her. She is malice personified. I managed to get an adultery petition to the court and they exploded. It went from bad to worse. I could go on and on and on. The funny thing is, OW is much older, hideously unattractive and is terribly terribly insecure. She has turned my ex-h into a fat, ugly, lined, yellow lump, cut his hair into a ridiculous hairstyle, his clothes are out of date. She is so frightened she is going to lose her "prize" that she has made sure that nobody would even look at him. He looks like a bloody broken man now!

She has driven such a wedge between us that we can no longer communicate. Her finest hour was when she decided my ASD son was not ASD as she was a "children's hairdresser with a CRB check" and I was "attention seeking and doing it to claim DLA". Thus, ex-h checked out the process completely and offers no support to our son whatsoever. My ex-h has acknowledged on the very odd occasion that he is a complete shit. However, he "had" to do it. He even, on one occasion blamed our DS saying that he had been forced to "do this" to ensure he grew up with "love and emotion". What the actual fuck? The damage those two have done to my kids is incalculable. I know they are widely judged, particularly due to OW's dead husband. However, they are perfectly justified as I was such an awful person and my ex-h told everybody I had "mental health issues" and he knew he had made a mistake two years after our marriage! What a guy, staying for all those years and then leaving me with the baby he pressured and begged me for.

Sorry, this is a bit stilted and long...but you get the picture. Their behaviour has ensured that 2.5 years on, I am still struggling to recover. I hope they rot in hell frankly. They deserve eachother. Flowers to each and every one of you going through this hell.

donajimena · 25/02/2016 17:12

Dilys , mrsc Flowers and also to all of you have suffered.
My ex left me for OW then emptied our business account 18 months later when I had all but forgotten about him. When he left he listed all my faults and said we needed to 'sever all ties financially' as he skipped off into the sunset with a woman younger than his daughter.
However much to my surprise I am now in a happy relationship. His less so. He won't sign over his share of the business now or return my calls. The cunt thinks there might be a dividend. I can't afford legal advice.
He fucking left me for fucks sake.

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/02/2016 17:46

donajimena...thank you Smile. Don't give up because of legal advice, there is a huge amount of help out there. I self repped through a year of court proceedings and won 100% of the marital assets another reason they hate me so much Wink. PM me if you like, I might be able to send you off in the right direction....

donajimena · 25/02/2016 17:52

Thank you MrsC. I will definitely take you up on your offer. At the moment I am head in the sand as after everything that went on I'm enjoying life and I am reluctant to poke the hornets nest!
He did NOTHING for the business told me I was a failure but as soon as he noticed £££ and realised I am not a failure he won't fuck off now.
Thank you and I apologise for thread hijack OP

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/02/2016 18:06

donajimena, the beauty of threads like this is that often you will find somebody who has been/is in the same boat and can offer some help. All us utterly fabulous awful ex-wives have to stick together Smile

Helennn · 25/02/2016 18:14

TheformidablemesC. Thanks for your post to donajimena. I am about to go down the divorce route and found your advice both interesting and reassuring. Are you able to post any general advice here of things you have learned, for us ladies in a similar situation? Many thanks.

LineyReborn · 25/02/2016 18:14

I have been thinking what the red flags might have been, and how to recognise them and avoid ending up with the sorts of men capable of these behaviours.

My ExH wasn't good at taking criticism or owning up to mistakes.

My ExH cared far too much what his parents thought. I think he would tell them any story in order to get them to back him.

I think those were red flags I ignored at my peril.

iwantanewcar · 25/02/2016 18:48

I think Liney that is an excellent suggestion. I'll post later with some thoughts.

MagicEightBallz · 25/02/2016 18:49

For those others who have ben through this...

What was he like before?

I mean in my case I did NOT see it coming.

In terms of "red flags" he was very invested in appearances, he had a tendency to be a bit selfish and he ran from conflict ad like pp he was absolutely obsessed with what his parents thought of him.

BUT he wouldn't have hurt a fly. He was just a nice person, until he wasn't.

And how has it affected you in new relationships?

I hve personally been not able to commit to anyone new, and have hurt a few men by pushing them away. I find I just freeze and almost can't breathe at the thought of anyone ever hurting me that way again

ChooChooLaverne · 25/02/2016 18:57

I'm so sorry for all of you who have found yourselves in this situation. My friends are both utterly bewildered at this happening to them.

It might help them to hear they're not alone and that it might be because the men are actually guilty underneath it all.

MrsC would you mind if I PMed you as well. Both my friends could do with better legal advice I think and it would be useful if you could give me some advice for them. Thank you.

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LineyReborn · 25/02/2016 19:08

MagicEight Yes it did affect new relationships until I learned what it was I should be looking for! It only took me 12 years...

I've been with my OH now for over two and a half years and he (a) isn't the slightest bit bothered about what his mother thinks about anything; and (b) he isn't brittle about criticism and says sorry when needed. Oh and he's really caring when I'm ill. And he can talk about his ExW without slagging her off.

So hopefully he just doesn't have that inherent propensity for bitterness, self-absorption and a sense of self that is conditional on parental approval.

VertigoNun · 25/02/2016 19:22

I think these men are having mental health problems and need a psychiatrist instead of an OW and solicitor.

peaceoftheaction · 25/02/2016 19:46

OP thank you for starting this thread, it is a comfort to know there are lots of others, thought I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Mine is exactly the same story as secretlove
He treats me with utter contempt and as though I've just crawled out from under his shoe, but given half the chance he gets in with a nasty dig/character assassination too. This is 8 years later. You would think I had left him or hurt him, when the opposite is true. I just want to move on and be civil but it seems he won't be content until he has destroyed me. In fact I think it's the fact he didn't destroy me which is perhaps what angers him so much?
Red flag wise he is very much a blamer, nothing is ever his fault, and entitled/selfish, although I didn't see the worst of this till he left. I haven't met anyone else either, he's put me off really - which I'm sure he's delighted about as evidence of how unworthy and awful I obviously am, what a general drain/sponger/awful person/insane/abusive/lazy etc etc etc

peaceoftheaction · 25/02/2016 19:47

though I wouldn't wish it on anyone!