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Please help. Husband leaving after 26 years

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tartanbuggy · 30/01/2016 21:19

I am starting a new thread with a post that I posted within another (very helpful) thread. Just looking for some hand holding please. So very sad.

This happened to me last night. Married 26 years, 3 kids (20 and 17 year old twins). DH and I had not been close or happy with each other for a long time and had grown apart, but I still didn't see it coming. He has got together with somebody at work (he is 54 and the boss), she is 28. He said that they had been attracted to each other for a long time but had not acted upon it until he realised that our marriage was dead. He wants to move out and has said I can stay in the house with the children, but he wants to change our joint account to a single account and then he will continue to pay the bills and arrange to pay an allowance to me for the kids and any necessities. This will be paid into my separate bank account. He earns a lot, I don't. I was SAHM for many years and then spend two years up and down to help my parents who lived at the other end of the country and have since died. I am working p/t time at the moment, but it is term-time only and I earn very little.

I feel like I'm in a dream. I keep "forgetting" and then remembering. I feel numb but with a weird churning sensation in my stomach. I haven't been happy in the marriage either - DH can, in my opinion, be quite difficult to live with and I gradually withdrew and stuck my head in the sand. It then all went round in circles. He said he had been unhappy for a number of years, and that if we had been happy together then the other woman "would not have existed".

The kids don't know yet. They will be told and I am absolutely dreading their reaction. I don't think I can bear it. Oldest DD is mentally very fragile and has been struggling with depression, culminating in an overdose a few weeks ago. Physically she is fine, but I am so worried about her.

I feel sick. Really, really sick and humiliated and terrified about the future and how we will manage. Please, MNers, let me know this can be got through. I am so scared.

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spanky2 · 15/05/2016 18:15

I think you are entitled to some of his pension because you were the one who stayed at home and looked after his dcs.
Get a lawyer with a big pair of balls and get as much money as you can. What a shitty thing to do to you after so long together. He is behaving very badly. Ow, controlling money and your emotions... If he didn't want to be tied down why did he get married and have dcs?! Then to say that you're being unreasonable by being angry! Wow! What an arse.
Seriously get a lawyer who is good and get your half of the money. Don't listen to his mind games.

BillyGoatGruff007 · 15/05/2016 19:18

Oh yes, what spanky2 says - his pension will be worth loads more than the house, believe me.
It's no wonder he's offering for you to stay in the house in exchange for giving up any claim to his pension.
Do, please, read up on it and make sure you have a bloody good lawyer.

Auntpetunia2015 · 15/05/2016 19:57

Oh OP I'm in exactly the same position as you, my stbxh left the home at Christmas not for any one else but by mutual agreement. After 26 years together, I've been fine this last few months slowly getting things sorted making sure dc are ok , but this last week all I've done is cry. And reading the wonderfull WWKs post makes me feel so much better that I'm not going mad.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/05/2016 20:18

I think perhaps that 'missing him' thing is because, for good or ill, he took up a goodly amount of your 'head' and your time. And right now, you haven't found anything else to fill up those empty spaces. But you will if you start looking for them.

There wasn't an OW, but I was horribly used and manipulated by a man who then dumped me. I knew in my head that he had treated me horribly, but I still 'missed' him. It was because I didn't have anything to fill up the time we normally spent together. My home was empty of his presence. What cured me was when I made one of those (I cringe to think of it now) begging attempts to get him to come back and he said (oh so concernedly) that he 'hoped I wouldn't commit suicide over losing him'. The look on his face just showed how my 'scene' was feeding his ego, the smug bastard, I swear I think he would have found some twisted satisfaction if I had been suicidal. Luckily, that was all it took to snap me out of it and head me straight into counseling!

AcrossthePond55 · 15/05/2016 20:20

Flowers Star 🍍 Grin

duffbeergoggles · 15/05/2016 20:34

I haven't read all the thread but OP don't negotiate away rights to a share of his pension in exchange for the house. My ex tried this (similar situation to yours but 6 years ago) and I refused to negotiate and thank goodness i did because I'm one of the unlucky '50s' women who will be working till I'm way into my 60s just to get a basic state pension.

And it does get better by the way. What you're going through now is to be expected and is all part of the process. When i had to face exH in mediation I printed off a load of the best posts from my thread at the time and took them with me. I had them in front of me but hidden from ex's eyesight so i could read them to help my resolve, which it did Smile

tartanbuggy · 15/05/2016 22:54

Just popping in quickly to say thank you for your replies. Am absolutely shattered and on my way to bed, so will read them all properly tomorrow. I see there's a bit of a fan club thing going on for WWK Grin

Thank you and good night!

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/05/2016 23:55

Sweet Dreams.

If you have time, search out WWK's threads. They're inspirational, informational, and at times, hilarious.

tartanbuggy · 16/05/2016 16:10

Just got in from work and everything is such a struggle at the moment. Really feels like wading through treacle. It's like being on the outside looking in; nothing seems quite real.

Thank you Boosmum11 and it's really encouraging to know that you got through in the end. You are right; it is like a bereavement and oddly enough I keep recognising the way I feel now as being just how I felt after mum and dad died. A weird spaced out feeling with my stomach in knots and my mouth keeps going dry. I have to suck mint imperials throughout the day to keep my mouth moist enough to be able to speak and all the kids at school keep asking what I'm eating! Nothing gets past 5- and 6-year olds!

WWK - you are an inspiration! Yes, it is coming up to the 4-6 month mark. He finished with me on 29 January, so I guess it's going to get tougher for a while. I know what you mean about people and their well-meaning comments. I keep getting told to put things behind me or not to obsess about certain aspects, eg, whether STBXH and OW last the course, and how responsible I was for his misery in the marriage, but I just can't let go of things. I think there are some things I need to try to resolve in my own mind before I can move forward. Getting rid of the guilt is a major hurdle for me at the moment and I just can't seem to be able to do it. I'm having more counselling. Thank you so much for your post; it helps me so much.

Thanks Spanky2, Billygoat and duffbeergoggles for your advice about the pension. I have got a good solicitor and will not be agreeing to anything at mediation without running it past her first. She is pretty good and I feel that she will not let anything slip down the legside! I know that STBXH has forwarded his CETV to mediation/solicitors and I had an estate agent value the house on Friday and they will put in writing for me as well. I won't see STBXH at mediation; I have requested shuttle mediation and I will be bringing a friend with me for moral support. I know that if I see him or even hear his voice in the corridor (maybe I'll bring earplugs!) it will just turn me into a weeping, hysterical mess.

Hello there AcrossthePond, it's nice of you to pop in again! I agree with your comments about head space. I find that I'm filling the space up with all sorts of weird and wonderful things that are making me feel worse. I veer from missing him, to hating him, to remembering all the good things and now I find that I'm starting to convince myself that I was 100% horrible and drove him away because of the way I behaved with him. In other words, it is all my fault and by the way I behaved I have now got what I deserve. Then I don't want to think that but I keep feeling guilty and wonder if maybe I emotionally abused him which caused him to get angry and then round and round in circles. Wish I could just stop it all. I know what you mean about the horrible begging thing as well. That's the main reason I can't be in contact with him at the moment, because I know I would lose resolve and beg and cry and I know that he would say "No" in that horrible cold way and I'd be right back at the beginning.

Thank you all for your support. I dip in and out, but sometimes the need to unburden becomes overwhelming. I hate that frantic, trapped feeling.

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 16/05/2016 16:25

wow . I just wanted to send some strong vibes your way. I can only imagine, like a bereavement BUT your self esteem is shat all over- double whammy, and you cant even grieve the memories as you completely fucking hate them. shite

also, I cant see a relationship with a 28 year old lasting very long.
(a) she will want a family at some stage
(b) she is his kids generation- cant see what they will have to talk about once the "ooh older man" "ooh younger woman" excitement passes- I mean really?

So yeah I cant see it lasting- and normally their shit will unravel just as your life starts to improve, its always the way

so its 1000% normal to preoccupy about them, buit you can do it on one condition, that you make proactive efforts to rebuild you own life

AcrossthePond55 · 16/05/2016 17:19

That stupid roller coaster of thoughts and emotions, how I hated that! To tell the truth I can't tell you exactly HOW I stopped doing that, but it did happen. I'm sure counseling had a lot to do with it as well as a continuing internal dialogue scolding myself of 'I will NOT think about that!'.

I will admit to memorizing poetry and famous speeches and reciting declaiming them over and over out loud (thank you, Lewis Carroll, William Shakespeare, and Abraham Lincoln). Silly, but it did seem to distract me even if only for awhile. Ah, memories of scrubbing the bathtub to the 'rhythm' of iambic pentameter!

Seriously, you believe it's 'all your fault' because that is what he's told you. And you're used to believing and accepting what he's told you as the truth. Maybe start by every time you think of one of his 'blaming' statements you preface it with 'He says' and then you tack on 'but he's a liar' to the end of it. Instead of "I must have emotionally abused him", think "He says I emotionally abused him, but he's a liar". You know he's a liar and saying it will bring an accepted truth into the path of the false statement. Just start with the wording, don't worry about putting the 'belief' into it just yet. We change our thinking with very small things, not wholesale dumping out of current beliefs for new beliefs. Our heads aren't buckets that can be dumped and refilled at will. You don't have to change your 'head' overnight. Just start with a change in the dialogue. The belief will follow.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/05/2016 17:22

Eek. Lots of italics fails in that post!

ismellSwell · 16/05/2016 17:27

He said that he had no intention of disadvantaging us financially and that he would take his responsibilities seriously.

They all say that to start with, then once reality kicks in and the money sucking OW start bleeding dry, then he WILL change his mind. Very quickly.

He will end up disadvantaging you financially.

You need to keep a VERY close eye on all things financial. Don't believe a word he says.

He's a cheat and a liar.

ismellSwell · 16/05/2016 17:29

also, I cant see a relationship with a 28 year old lasting very long.
(a) she will want a family at some stage
(b) she is his kids generation- cant see what they will have to talk about once the "ooh older man" "ooh younger woman" excitement passes- I mean really?

An older man getting together with a younger woman isn't interested in talk

He will be interested in the fact she has a young body. That will be the be all and end all.
Some people are that shallow, sadly.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/05/2016 17:48

They all say that to start with, then once reality kicks in and the money sucking OW start bleeding dry

In situations like these I often think of the conversation between Mr and Mrs Dashwood Jnr in Sense and Sensibility when Mr D brings up his financial responsibility to his stepmother, Mrs Dashwood Snr, and his half-sisters. It starts out with him intending to provide for them generously and ends up with his grasping greedy wife convincing him to give them nothing but a few sticks of furniture and help in moving.

You can expect the same treatment from OW. A woman who will get involved with a married man will have no scruples about wanting to keep all his money for her use.

grannytomine · 16/05/2016 20:14

Why are you missing him so much now, well in my experience you are grieving for the relationship you had when things were good. I don't know when that was, by the sounds of your OP it is quite a while ago but think back 26 years when it was all new and exciting and you loved him madly, that's what you are grieving for now. The man he is now is someone else and you are better off without him. Hold your head up high, get your share and get on with your life. That is the best way forward. The worst is nearly behind you, next year you will be dancing.

Summerwalking16 · 16/05/2016 21:47

54 and 28 and in love, how predictable.

tartanbuggy · 18/05/2016 20:50

Love the name stopfuckingshoutingatme! You're dead right about the bereavement feeling (god awful unintentional pun there) and the self-esteem. It's the most horrible heavy in the pit of the stomach feeling and every now and again it lurches like going over a humpback bridge too fast in a car. I hope you're right about their shit unravelling; the thought of that is the only thing that keeps me going at the moment. Then I fret that they'll find their happy ever after and it sends me into a downward spiral again. You've made a good point though about the condition Grin - I do need to start considering a happy future and being proactive. I really hope it starts to get easier.

Oh AcrossthePond - some very wise words and I love the literary references for cleaning. Shakespeare in the shower, Tennyson down the toilet, Wordsworth on the windows .... could go on and on. I remember that part in Sense and Sensibility! I read it ages ago and remember thinking then what an utter arse Mr D was. It seems he's not the only one.

Thanks ismellSwell for the advice about the financial aspect. I am beginning to see that he is not the person I thought he was and I think that deep down he resented the inequality in income/financial contribution. It was a mutual decision that I stopped work after DD1 was born and then we moved, but when I did get back into work it was and still is low wage work. I did feel guilty that I wasn't contributing much to the "pot" and I guess he felt that all the responsibility rested with him. I think that that resentment could well colour his judgement. I know that he would not want to do anything to put the kids in a difficult position but it makes my head spin to think how quickly he would see me go under Sad It's a horrible thought. I will not be agreeing to anything straight off and will be running everything that comes out of mediation by my solicitor. STBXDH is most definitely not the person I once thought he was.

That's a lovely thought grannytomine - thank you. I hope the dance starts sooner rather than later. I think you're right about grieving the relationship that was. I also think I'm sad because somebody else is now getting that part of "my" relationship. Well, OK, he is a bit different now. No hair where there should be some and lots where there shouldn't. Not that I'm bitching or anything, oh no, not me.

And Grin at Summerwalking - bit of an "Oh, bless" moment, eh? Wink

Thank you all for the wonderful support. MNet has been an absolute lifeline over the past few months. I have really feared that I was losing my mind - that's still a strong possibility - and it's been such a comfort to be able to rant, vent and weep on here and have some very wise and compassionate people hold my hand and talk me down. I think I'm feeling a bit lower than normal because I found out that my uncle, my mum's brother, died on Monday. He was the last of that generation - all my aunts and uncles and my parents have died - and in some way the last link to the past and the happy times it represented. The current situation has just exacerbated the feelings of loss and sadness and I expect this is having an effect on my overall mood as well.

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WellWhoKnew · 25/05/2016 19:48

Hope you're doing okay. Remember, feeling low is the norm in these circumstances, no matter whether you can pinpoint a reason! So if you get a moments respite so much the better. Like wind, this too shall pass.

tartanbuggy · 26/05/2016 07:45

Hello WellWhoKnew, thanks for dropping by.

I'm plodding on .... not been online much recently because it's been busy with work and kids' exams etc. DD2 has a little part-time cleaning job in a local community hall but the hours can be quite late or very early depending on the user groups. I said I would help her during exam week, so I've been up and down the road at strange hours in my pinny and rubber gloves. Reading that back, makes it sound as if it's a different type of job I'm on Grin

Am in the middle of preparing for the first joint shuttle mediation session. I am feeling quite sick and trying not to think about it too much. I'll come back and do an update when it's over.

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Theoscargoesto · 28/05/2016 16:13

Hi Tartan. Just popping in to say hello and ask about the mediation session. Take care xx

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 28/05/2016 16:47

Just some quick advice: I was a STAHM by mutual agreement and my exH was the breadwinner, when we split the courts viewed my contribution to the home: nurture and care of children and all the domestic work, as equal to my Ex's financial contribution. Therefore we were equal partners and any decisions made were made from that premise. I was entitled to half of everything - including his pension although I settled for a third of his pension but I got the marital home. He had to pay me monthly spousal maintenance so that I could continue to pay the bills etc. and monthly child maintenance payments. I'm getting married in July and so the spousal maintenance will stop - fair enough. It was also agreed that if I earnt over a certain amount spousal maintenance would stop however in both cases children's maintenance continues until they either reach 18 or leave full time education. Fight for your rights. Don't be afraid or intimidated - the decisions you make now will affect the rest of your life. My ex was furious with me - he thought I'd away quietly and accept gratefully what he was offering but I didn't And I didn't care what he thought - I stood up for myself for the first time in my life. It was so worth it. Good luck.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 28/05/2016 18:30

Given how rubbish many men are at keeping up their payments, and the fact that they would stop if you married again or reduce if he had another family, I think I'd go for a clean break, get my fair share now and not be reliant on him in any way in the future.

scaryteacher · 28/05/2016 23:30

My Dad did this to my Mum when I was 24. I never had a relationship with the OW; refused to let my son call her 'Granny' (he had two, didn't need another one), and she was a friend of my Mum's. My relationship with my Dad was always rocky, and this put the seal on that. 26 years on, and I still can't forgive him for what he put Mum through.

Dad died at age 60. Mum is still going strong at 75, and guess who feels she has the last laugh?

tartanbuggy · 31/05/2016 20:08

Thank you onemorecupofcoffee for sharing your experience. It is certainly food for thought and some good points in there! I find it really useful to hear what other people have secured/negotiated. It's never as simple as straight down the middle! Thanks as well Tinkly for the advice. My solicitor has mentioned a lot of what you have both talked about, so that's reassuring too.

It's always interesting to hear from the children this has happened to, so thanks for your post scaryteacher. It's good to get some idea of how my own kids might view things in the future and to compare this to how other people have felt. STBXH seemed to think that because the children were older that they would be able to cope with it all in an adult manner. Only one of the children (DD2) has contact with him and at the time he said that she was the only one "behaving like a grown-up in all this". Arrogant arse that he is! I think he really believes that only little children will be affected - interestingly enough the OW's parents divorced acrimoniously when she was about 8 or 9, he said. So, he feels sorry for her but because his own kids are older, then it won't be so bad for them! I guess the DCs may have a relationship with him at some stage, but I think it will be imperfect and they will never really forget what he did.

So, that's the first mediation session over. The next one will be in a couple of months once further information has been obtained. The first session was really just a bit of fact-finding and initial "scene setting". I didn't have to see him and arrived before him and left after him. It was still a horrible feeling knowing that he was in the same building and chewing over what he would be prepared to give/not give. I just can't get my head round the fact that only 4 months ago, everything was joint and shared and now it's all negotiation and division. I took a good friend with me for support and company, but still managed to cry quite a bit! I was very nervous beforehand and although the session was OK and I didn't have to see or hear him, I still felt very low and quite wretched afterwards.

He sent a verbal message via the mediator to say that he wanted to reassure me that he intended to be fair and supportive to me and our children. It's in the notes of meeting as well. That pissed me off more than anything! The law will see to it that it's fair and it's a bit late to be supportive now .... I made no response; didn't trust myself Grin It just felt so patronising. Gahhhh.

So, no change for the time being and things will continue as they are until, at least, the kids finish college.

Oh, it's so hard at the moment, though. I really resent the fact that he is putting me through what he couldn't face going through himself - ie, facing the whole splitting and divorce process on his own. He made sure he has somebody there, 24/7, to provide all the support, comfort, reassurance and advice whenever it's needed. I know I have fantastic friends but they do have their own lives and families and can't be there when I'm visited by the Dementors at 3.00am or wake up crying after a strange dream. I know I have the kids at home, but I don't and can't talk to them about all of my miseries; it's not fair on them and they don't want to talk about it anyway. Then I think that maybe he's not that bothered or upset anyway and is just wanting to get the details over and done with.

In true bitter fashion, I want him to experience some of what I am feeling. The grief, the fear, the uncertainty, the loss, the scary future. And the only way he will feel that is if he and his OW implode. That'll serve the bugger right. Not a serene or reasonable bone in my body, eh?

All I can do is just keep plodding on ... or buggering on as somebody else would say. I've had a reasonable few days where it's felt a bit calmer and not quite as scary and frantic. I was prescribed ADs a few weeks ago and I'm wondering if maybe they're now beginning to kick in. I've also been talking (obsessively) in counselling and I think that perhaps things are beginning to sink in and I'm slowly starting to shed some of the self-blame and guilt. One particularly useful session was when we went through his personality, past actions, behaviour patterns etc and came to the conclusion that it wasn't just me and that nobody could really make him happy because he is the sort of person who sees happiness as being dependent on external things (and people), but these never quite live up to his expectations. Well, whether that's the case or not, it certainly helped me to think along more positive lines.

As always, thank you to everybody for all your wonderful advice and support. You are all Star On a different note, I wonder if it would be an idea to have a smiley to represent bastarding, cheating, lying STBXH's? Just on Relationships board. Oooooh, I can think of some wonderful images, but would probably just get me banned.

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