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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
wickedwaterwitch · 26/01/2016 10:11

I agree with everyone, leave.

AdriftOnMemoryBliss · 26/01/2016 10:12

Run for the fucking hills.

Do not look back.

Just GO.

Grumpyoldblonde · 26/01/2016 10:21

If you stay with this man you are in for years of bullying and escalating violence. He has shown and told you exactly what he is, if you walk into that it is your choice, you couldn't say he didn't warn you, but, it is not your unborn babies choice, awful to think a child could be brought up in a household of bullying and violence, that child will not thank you for it. Run for the hills and your supportive family and friends, be glad you had the warning early before the baby arrives, it will only get worse. This is one of the most frightening posts I have ever read here, I only hope you get away. you have no reason not to.

mix56 · 26/01/2016 10:28

Atlantis.....This is text book emotional abuse. ALL the symptoms are there.

This in almost every case is aggravated by a new born.

You can see he is dangerous & abusive, controlling & manipulative.
Imagine it a lot worse. because it will be with this abuser. They are oh so able to wind you back in after pushing too far. Big Argument = marriage proposal.
Please Run as soon as you can get yourself organised. don't tell him, just pack/store & get on the train...then tell him it is over.
You do NOT put his name on the birth cert, if you do, you will be obliged to child share.
It is essential to leave before the baby arrives, & for your own health as well as the baby's. He is dangerous.
Flee.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 26/01/2016 10:41

He accuses you of being dishonest because he is paranoid.
He spits in your face.
He shouts and swears at you.
He tells you who you can and can't be friends with.
He throws your things out of the house when you want to calmly end the relationship.
He tells you you won't be able to see your family.
He tells you you must marry him on his terms.

Any ONE of these would be reason enough to leave and not look back.
Run, run, run.

PeaceLoveAndMincePies · 26/01/2016 10:42

Another one saying leave!

ricketytickety · 26/01/2016 10:48

Regarding single parenthood: don't be afraid of it. You have your flat in Scotland still I presume? I'm not sure what state help you get in Scotland but financially you have plenty of time to investigate and plan your finances.

Anyone having a baby needs the support of those around them, single or not, so moving to Scotland is your best bet... back to your family. They will be invaluable. You will have so much more control over your and your baby's life this way and the freedom to bring them up the way you feel is right. Aim for a happy, stable home with routine and you cant go wrong really.

I became a single parent when my dc was a toddler and I wish I had done it earlier. Those 3 years drained me emotionally and today we are still living with the consequences of their relationship with their father.

I would say that moving now is better than moving later. Being single with a baby is easier than having a baby in a tense relationship. Bringing a child up with someone who can't treat you with respect is not good for the child as they get the wrong idea about what is right and wrong in a relationship. Also they might get the short end of the stick themselves. Spending nights crying and dealing with his stress does take the attention away from the baby and that's unfair on the child (and you - you want to enjoy this experience)

I wouldn't think too much about what you are going to do about the child's relationship with their father yet - that will develop in one way or another as time goes on. Having the distance will help you in this circumstance. He's already shown a lack of interest with not turning up to the scan.

ricketytickety · 26/01/2016 10:50

Just wanted to add that you'll find lots of people are supportive of single parents and will want to help.

FantasticButtocks · 26/01/2016 10:56

Only on page one of this - but for goodness sake, go to Scotland and raise your baby in freedom and peace. This man is no good.

FantasticButtocks · 26/01/2016 10:57

And whatever you do, do not marry him.

hellsbellsmelons · 26/01/2016 10:59

This is one of the most frightening posts I have ever read here
Agree - it's certainly right up there!

HashTagYesYes · 26/01/2016 11:08

Being a single parent isn't that bad. What is worse is letting this man destroy your life any further. Get out now, before he breaks you completely.

I left my oh simply because I didn't love him, but he was a good guy. There are no single parents in my family but I have had nothing but support from everyone - no judgement.

No one would blame you for getting away from him. In fact you absolutely must. He will destroy you and your child's life

2ManySweets · 26/01/2016 12:42

I have never ever seen a post on MN with such a unanimous position - mainly because a blind man in a darkened room could see this situ is ALL WRONG and that it's classic abusive behaviour. I dob't need to tell you to LTB as it's obvious you do and you know it yourself.

FWIW, the support for single parents in Scotland is better both from a financial and from a "publicly available" point of view.

Legally, you want to have the baby in Scotland and leave him off the birth cert to give you as strong a position as you can should he move to legally challenge you. Scots law has subtle differences to English law that tend to pivot around where major legal events happen (marriage/birth of a child, was it in Scotland or another part of the UK?). Believe me on this one. Seek advice from a solicitor once you get settled north of the border.

Finally, I cannot stress enough in what a fab position you are re: your parents - they want to help so use them. If you were my daughter and I knew half of what you'd told me I'd be zooming down the A1 to come and drag you away from this shithead before you could say "River City".

I've never said this with such feeling before but I truly wish you all the very best with getting away and starting over. It's so hard but I vow to you, it will be for the best in the long run, I absolutely promise you that Flowers

If you can, let us know how you get on, for our peace of mind if nothing else.

msatlantis · 26/01/2016 12:45

THANK YOU so much everyone, for all of your support.
I feel much braver for your posts and messages.
I am making plans to leave asap.
Thank you all for taking the time to support me and for wishing me well.

OP posts:
Cantseetheforest · 26/01/2016 12:49

Best of luck to you msatlantis. You will be in our thoughts!

PeaceLoveAndMincePies · 26/01/2016 12:52

I would love to read an update from you in a year's time saying how well you and your baby are doing and how happy and free you feel.
The alternative is just unthinkable.
So much love and good wishes for you.

Keeptrudging · 26/01/2016 12:58

Good luck, I'm so glad for you, I know when I left, after months (years) of soulsearching/agonising, it felt like the weight of the world had lifted off my shoulders within days. I've never regretted it. My ex is still abusive, sadly for his current partner, and my DS (who is now an adult and has as little contact with him as possible). Wishing you well Smile.

Prayingforsnow · 26/01/2016 13:04

Thank god for that. I thought you had disappeared.

RivieraKid · 26/01/2016 13:05

Please let us know that you've got out safely and are with your family if you have the space and time to do so. I am not often genuinely frightened for someone on here. All the best to you and your baby x

LentilStew · 26/01/2016 13:11

Please don't be tempted to have it out with him and tell him you are leaving. Please just make secret arrangements and go one morning as soon as he's left the house. Do it ASAP.
Remember there's a good chance he checks your phone either when you go to the loo or shower or are asleep so delete browser history and any text messages with family or friends re leaving. Keeping him in the dark will keep you safe.

NameChange30 · 26/01/2016 13:20

Thanks for the update - so glad you're leaving ASAP. Good luck and please do let us know when you're safely in Scotland, if you can.

Fadingmemory · 26/01/2016 13:22

Atlantis, if a friend or family was in your situation would you advise her/him to stay? He is highly controlling, nay abusive and shows scraps of "niceness" only when he feels you are going beyond his control. If you marry him he will only feel his power and grow more controlling. He may then try to alienate you from your family. If you marry you may then have to extricate yourself from a much more complex situation. You have agreed to marry under duress, and this is not acceptable in any way.

More worrying, given that England and Scotland are different legal jurisdictions he might apply for an interdict/injunction to try to stop you taking the baby to Scotland after the birth whether you are married or not. However unlikely that seems, he could make an application to the court - seriously.Go home to your family and your support network - if he wishes to see the baby he will have to make the journey won't he? Document everything he says and does. Am in Scotland. PM me if you like to "talk" if you like. Good luck.

PhoenixReisling · 26/01/2016 13:31

I agree with lentil.....get a cheap PAYG smart phone, set up another email address and only communicate with this phone about your plans.

Also, the less people that know the better.

I am pleased that you are ok, you are doing the right thing.

Flowers
Goingtobeawesome · 26/01/2016 13:36

Thank you for letting us know you are okay. You have a huge amount of support here. Use it.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 26/01/2016 13:44

Please go to Scotland - run. Have a look on anyvan.com and see if someone can transport your stuff for not too much money. Get out Flowers