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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
PhoenixReisling · 25/01/2016 19:38

Run. As. Fast. As. You. Can.

Don't tell him, only take what you really need and block his number/email.

He is controlling and abusive.

forumdonkey · 25/01/2016 19:39

I'm not an automatic LTB but LTB as fast as you can. We are all saying the same thing to you, it will only get worse. You are already complying with his wishes as to who you should and shouldn't contact and it will get worse and your strength and esteem will get lower and lower if you stay, until you will have no control over your own life. You thoughts and actions will not be yours, you will be trying to second guess what he'd want and his reaction to everyday decisions to avoid his abusive outbursts. Do you really want your child to witness that?

You sound like you have a wonderful, loving, supportive family, you'll be fine as a single parent. Just imagine in contrast, with your family your baby will be surrounded by love and free from an angry man and stress and tension to enjoy being a mum.

Shirkingfromhome · 25/01/2016 19:40

I didn't read all of your post, I didn't need to. Why are you staying with someone who doesn't make you happy? Leave and go home to your family on Scotland. This relationship isn't going to get better.

NorthernLurker · 25/01/2016 19:48

Op - I agree with everybody else. Your post is basically a perfect description of how an abusive relationship is constructed.

Think about how cyclical it all is - he woos you, you're not moving fast enough for him so he gets upset then you fall in with his plans and everything is fine again then he constructs a row out of nothing so you appease him and apologise and everything is fine again and then he constructs another row and so it goes on but each time it gets a bit worse.
Trying to separate you from your friend and from your family - by shortening and limiting visits - is classic abusive behaviour.

You are lucky to have family and a home far away from him. I would suggest leaving secretly as others advise. That is the safest way for you. You don't owe him any explanation. I would think about renting out your own flat because he knows where that is and move somewhere else at least for a while. Don't let him in to your life again, don't let him in to the baby's life. He would have to take court action to get parental responsibility if you don't put him on the birth certificate. Don't be guilted in to thinking your child needs a father. Your child needs loving parents and abusive people are not loving.

Please follow your gut instinct - it's telling you to get away.

VoldysGoneMouldy · 25/01/2016 19:52

Please leave now. Do not discuss it with him, you will be in danger. Get out now. Take everything you can, and leave. Do not allow any contact with him, do not put his name on the birth certificate, tell your family just how bad it is.

Please. Get safe, and keep your baby safe.

saffronwblue · 25/01/2016 20:02

OP happy relationships don't have lots of drama in them. Just picture a safe and calm pregnancy with your family in contrast to being controlled and worse by this man. Please leave.

JammyGeorge · 25/01/2016 20:13

Leave him.

Whatever you do don't stay with him for the babies sake. My mum stayed with my dad through years of emotionally abuse & bullying. He rarely turned on us but we lived in fear - I was terrified of him.

Years later I asked her why, she said I did it for you and your brothers - I could of cried. Being brought up in a warzone is no fun - protect your baby and go now.

Iggi999 · 25/01/2016 20:16

I'm sure there are time when you feel so happy to be with him. There must be, or how would he get you to put up with the shit? But he will control and hurt you more as time goes on, and then control and hurt your child.
All this in just a year, no healthy relationship pans out like this.

Fishface77 · 25/01/2016 20:38

Gosh op I'm scared for you. This is not the behaviour of a rational human being. Phone your mum and/or strong strapping family members. Pack your stuff and leave the same day. Don't negotiate talk or listen. He will try and convince you he will change, he will swap to threats. He will lie. If you stay your life and that of your baby will not be worth living. He will use your child as a weapon.

Atenco · 25/01/2016 20:40

Run girl, and do not put him on the birth cert.

jelliebelly · 25/01/2016 20:48

Leave and be near your family. Don't wait until the baby is born and it all gets more difficult. Go now.

Sinkingfeeling · 25/01/2016 20:54

Please leave him and go to your family OP. Every poster on this thread has said the same because it's obvious this MSN is abusive and controlling. Please leave, for your own and your baby's safety and happiness.

I'm a registrar and an unmarried father can only be named on a child's birth certificate if he attends and signs the register at the same time as you. Don't give him that option. Just register the baby on your own. Many men threaten to pursue the issue through the courts but very few actually do in my experience.

KatharinaRosalie · 25/01/2016 21:06

does anything from here sound familiar? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2268977-The-Abuser-Profiles

Monty27 · 25/01/2016 21:18

OP I hope you are well and safe and away from this person. He sounds terrifying.

Radyward · 25/01/2016 21:27

O my good lord, I am shocked into posting a reply something I ordinarily dont do. He is just awful. Poor you. Thank goodness for your lovely supportive family.
You are being controlled . I am so relieved for you you have not screwed yourself over buying property or such with him. Isolating you from a dear friend is only the start.
if it was me I dont think I'd be thinking straight by now / doubting mself etc. All the effect of his screwed up mind games. I really echo the poster who suggested confiding all to your Mother.
you need her help to get to Scotland before babs is born. What stunts he will pull if you give birth in London is something you should dread. I am serious .

Call your Mum.

paulapantsdown · 25/01/2016 21:30

Get away from this man as soon as you can. He sounds like a man with a very serious personality disorder. This is not just about you anymore, you must get away before this child arrives to protect them too.

springydaffs · 25/01/2016 21:35

I actually feel frightened for you. Please leave him now. Get in touch with Women's Aid 0808 2000 247 (call at night if you can, lines busy during the day; or email them with a contact number and a safe time to call. Perhaps you could link this thread? Or you could say you are in an abusive, controlling relationship and need support to get out safely).

I am frightened for you bcs he is a very frightening man. I know a lot about domestic abuse - was a victim myself some time ago - and have heard many stories. Your story frightens me. You MUST leave.

When you are safely in Scotland you can take the time to do the research - Freedom Programme, anything written by Lundy Bancroft eg. Read up about domestic abuse. Your partner is a classic abuser - but I think he is particularly dangerous. Don't stay around to find out how conclusively he could destroy you.

Dire warnings - I'm sorry - but necessary. Agree with pp, don't put him on the birth certificate. Do everything you can, now and in future, to keep him away from your child.

I'm sorry you're facing this when you're pg. Thank God you have a loving and supportive family Flowers

HopefulHamster · 25/01/2016 21:40

Please go to Scotland and once you are there, if you feel up to it, do let us know you are safe.

This man has already shown you who he is. You don't need to see any more.

PeachFuzzzz · 25/01/2016 21:47

Just echoing the other posters.

Get out, asap.

Radyward · 25/01/2016 22:19

Msatlantis are you OK ?
Please post again to let us know you are ?

NationMcKinley · 25/01/2016 22:27

Reverse this. If a friend told you the exact same story, what you say?

You know the answer. Get out NOW.

Fontella · 25/01/2016 22:32

I haven't read the replies yet, but I am absolutely horrified by your OP!!

That you would even consider for a single second staying with this controlling pig! And as for marrying him - God forbid! No, not in a thousand years.

Go, go, run as fast as you can, while you can. There is no future for you with him. None.

Lovelilies2 · 25/01/2016 22:34

Please leave.
I should have left a long time ago, now I'm of with out 2nd DC and finally in the process of leaving.
It's bloody tough, and utterly amazing how we (previously strong independent women) can get sucked in by these master manipulator so time and time again, but it happens.

Please leave now. I wish I had Sad

BlackeyedShepherdsbringsheep · 25/01/2016 23:27

leave. asap. definitely before the baby is born.

Solasum · 25/01/2016 23:34

You poor thing. Another vote for going home, as soon as you can. As you are not married he won't automatically have parental responsibility, that will buy you some time.