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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 26/01/2016 13:45

What lentil and Phoenix said. New phone. Keep it on you always. NO having it out. You just go.

mix56 · 26/01/2016 13:50

Yes, PLEASE change your passwords, to email, facebook, Whatsapp, & phone RIGHT NOW. if he notices, it means that 1. once again he is snooping & controlling & 2. you have no privacy, Just say it was glitch or advised by your bank re phishing or something.
This could get really nasty if he gets wind of your intention to leave. if there is anyway you can take any important paperwork to work with you so it's safe, please do so. he may pick up on a change of atmosphere... Be calm, make NO attempt to do discuss this as "sensible adults". He will go Ballistic, & you will be in danger.

wickedwaterwitch · 26/01/2016 14:06

Good luck op

FuckFaulknerILikeTheGruffalo · 26/01/2016 14:48

Good luck, MsAtlantis! Glad to hear of your decision. Best of luck with the baby Flowers

Zumbarunswim · 26/01/2016 18:11

So glad to hear your update. Please be careful and consider getting in touch with woman's aid for advice. I'm a single mother in Scotland - only one in my family too and i am happy (a lot happier than when I was with my abusive ex) Grin

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 26/01/2016 19:22

It's a no brainer. Raise the baby alone in Scotland. You'll have the support of your mum. It wouldn't be fair to your baby to raise him/her in a toxic atmosphere.

QuiteLikely5 · 26/01/2016 19:35

Oh dear. He has well and truly got you hooked into his vicious cycle of mr nice/mr nasty.

You are in for a torturous ride with this fella.

The ride will only stop when you get off it. Remember that.

Do not believe anything he says, he knows nothing about love, he is abusive.

Check out a website called hidden hurt and look for the personal stories, they sound so much like yours.

Custardmiteofglut · 26/01/2016 19:39

To be honest, I was a LTB at the spitting in your face. Utterly unacceptable.

Make those escape plans fast. Your future self and your child will thank you. This man is an abuser and will, if given even an inch of a chance, destroy your self worth and confidence.

You and your child deserve better. Run to the safe bosom of your family, don't look back and do not put him on the birth certificate.

You can do it.

Piffpaffpoff · 26/01/2016 19:43

Come home to Scotland. Get on a train asap. He's only going to get worse and the longer you leave it, the harder it will get.

Imagine a friend had told you this story - what advice would you be giving her? You know you'd be telling her to leave. Best of luck.

Monty27 · 26/01/2016 21:28

Be careful OP. Hope you're ok.

springydaffs · 26/01/2016 22:07

Yes, echoing mix - don't think you have to a have a sensible discussion with him to be fair and kind. Normal rules don't apply here - really, they don't and mustn't. Your focus is exclusively getting you and your unborn baby away and safe.

This must be hard for you to hear. So many of us stayed with our abusers - catastrophic consequences, both at the time and for years afterwards. Hence dire warnings bcs we recognise it, dead cert. You have to take our word for it, as hard as that must be. When you're safe you can do the research from a place of safety. Xx

magoria · 26/01/2016 22:10

Don't be talked around by promises of change.

You have already been there, worn the tee etc.

He will only change long enough to ensure you are back in your place.

wotoodoo · 27/01/2016 02:34

Please look up sociopathic behaviour op, you might find it interesting and you might find it relates.

Whatever you do, remember the behaviour you have endured is abnormal to say the least, and there is nothing a person without normal levels of kindness, empathy, decency etc can be turned around to be someone who has them, you are on different playing fields.

The only sane option is to cut your losses and never ever try to explain or engage with a person who may have such an undiagnosed serious personality disorder like this because they will only see you at fault.

Be on your guard Flowers good luck Wine

sykadelic · 27/01/2016 03:33

This is no longer just about you.

You are considering bringing an innocent life into this. Imagine everything bad he's done to you (read your OP if you need a reminder) and imagine him directing that to a poor innocent life he loves him. Imagine your child growing up being treated this badly and the effect this would have on them. Imagine your child seeing this relationship as normal and being in one themselves. Your son abusing his girlfriend/wife/spouse or your daughter thinking that's what she deserves.

Love is not enough in this case. However much you love him, you need to love yourself, and your child, more.

PeanutBusterToby · 27/01/2016 03:46

I purposely have not read any of the replies. Why?? Because I know that the majority of them, if not all, will say the same.
LEAVE HIM NOW
He will not change....in fact I am wrong!!!
He will change....for the worse!!!
Being a single mother is indeed hard. Being a mother with an abusive, manipulative and controlling husband and father is a million times harder.
Lastly....your child deserves better!!!
Good Luck!!

mix56 · 27/01/2016 08:14

Peanut is right & I underline, that having the new baby will rapidly trigger an even bigger net of control.

Barmaid101 · 27/01/2016 22:07

Hope your doing ok and managing to execute your plan to get away

alltheworld · 27/01/2016 22:16

I was scared reading your op. You will not be alone in Scotland. You will have your family and lovely baby.

SistersOfPercy · 27/01/2016 23:05

I often read this forum but rarely comment. Your OP however horrified me.
Go to your family.
Flowers

movpov · 28/01/2016 09:45

I think you know the answer yourself deep down otherwise why would you have hesitated when he proposed. Any man who spits in your face, leaves you crying and shaking and tries to dictate who you can see, is very bad news. This will not get better if you stay with him, and will probably get worse, only now a child will be in the middle of it. Please leave this man now and come back to Scotland - you have family who will care for you and your baby, and help you, and being a single parent will be better than being with a controlling abusive partner. Please do not wait until you have the baby - go today . I hope you find the strength. Good luck

didofido · 28/01/2016 10:51

And do NOT put his name on the baby's birth certificate. It will give him some control of the child's life, and he will use this get at you, possibly for the next 18 years.

RainOhJoyus · 28/01/2016 12:18

Well done OP for making plans to leave. You will look back and see how strong you were and how it was the best thing for you and your child. Your best friend will be so glad to have you back in her life.

queenofthepirates · 28/01/2016 12:31

Run
And start listening to the Archers, very similar storyline on there with Helen and Rob.

yongnian · 28/01/2016 12:50

I don't normally comment on these threads but I really must add to everyone else's comments to sat please get away from him and do not be drawn back in. He sounds horribly like a man my friend had a relationship with years ago and it was not a happy scenario at all. In my experience I have known far less outwardly abusive and controlling men become much worse further down the line...so I really can do nothing else but urge you to take the advice on how to leave safely, quickly and without letting him know.
Good luck and Flowers
Your family sound rightly concerned and supportive and thankfully Scotland is not in popping distance from London. Go. X

definitelybutter1 · 28/01/2016 14:11

I couldn't remember this being mentioned, but if you have your baby in London he can get a prohibited steps order stopping you from moving to Scotland I don't think (not sure) that he can get something like that before the baby is born.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

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