Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 04/04/2016 19:40

Groups are generally once a week and you can drop it or out at your leisure. eg you could go to one in edinburgh and one in london. It's good to get the continuity but if you can't manage that then that's fine. Many women drop in and out of the groups (even within the session!) for a variety of reasons. Nobody minds.

BearFoxBear · 04/04/2016 19:53

Glad youyou made the decision to move back to Edinburgh, it sounds like you've done the right thing. I'm also around in North Edinburgh if you need a new MN gang :)

Not long til mat leave, so hang in there!

msatlantis · 06/04/2016 14:22

Have phoned the Scottish office that does the Freedom Programme and they are going to enroll me on the summer course. I do think this will be of benefit to really firm things up in my mind as most days I get 'wobbles'. I wish I could stop thinking about him; I have wasted so much of my time thinking about him (and so many tears too). I think once I'm on mat leave properly it will help too; more of a fixed base and some continuity. x

OP posts:
goddessofsmallthings · 06/04/2016 15:45

I suggest you do the Freedrom Programme online as it may serve to stop you wobbing www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php

It's not a substitute for participating in rl with women that you'll be able to relate to and may form bonds with but my fear is that hormone driven sentimentality may cause you to invite him to be present at the birth, or shortly thereafter, whereas you're best advised to avoid engaging in any face to face meeting with him forever, or at least until you have registered the birth of your dc and left the entry for 'father's name' blank.

It may have been suggested upthread, but in any event investing in a copy of Lundy Bancroft's 'Why Does He Do That' may also serve to concentrate your mind on the need to take every precaution for the protection of yourself and your dc-to-be.

As I've said earlier, there's no question in my mind that this man IS dangerous. I am by no means an alarmist but he exhibits many psychopathic traits and you should aso beware of his dm as she clearly enables, if not condones, his behaviour.

He's shown you a part of what he is but, as yet, I don't beieve he's revealed the full extent of his true nature and intent towards you. When you feel yourself wobbing please re-read this thread and take special note of those responses which have been written by women who have direct experience of living with and escaping the clutches of men like your ex.

Set aside 10 minutes every day when you allow yourself to entertain thoughts of him, and tell any any thoughts of him that appear unbidden in your mind at other times to go away and come back at the allotted time. If you adopt this strategy you'll soon find that you'll be in control of whether and when you allow him to have a place in your thoughts.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/04/2016 16:03

I know you are having wobbles - it's only to be expected..
But you do sound strong and you know what you are doing.
It's good to see your updates so thank you.

springydaffs · 06/04/2016 16:13

Yes, good point to do the Freedom Programme online to shore you up in the interim . The info is second to none, it is an excellent course. And YES to Lundy Bancroft - any Lundy Bancroft but especially Why Does He Do That. It really will sort your head out.

I am a great believer in RL support when it comes to rescue recovery from relationships like this. Because RL contact with real, ordinary people drives the whole thing into reality, Real Life. Our abusers have created an alternative world and, whether we are aware of it or not, we can't help but be sucked in by it - it isn't long before it becomes our reality. RL info and support, meeting others in the same position, looking closely at how abusers work, the tactics they use (surprisingly uniform tactics), how society supports the abusers cracked view, goes a very long way to breaking the web abusers weave around us. We think this couldn't happen to people like us - well, it does; and meeting others in the same position proves it could happen to anybody - which also breaks the 'was it me? Could I have done things better? Am I getting this/him wrong? Is it my fault?

Of course, abusers ALWAYS say it's our fault. They can be very convincing indeed.

Running concurrently, though, is the issue of the broken heart, too. ime once I got this info my heart ran cold. It takes a while for the love to die down - but it will die down, sooner rather than later, when you access this support and info.

GertrudeBadger · 06/04/2016 16:36

I think it's worth doing the program because you'll have to keep interacting with this awful man from time to time because of the DC - I've read the thread and I'm so glad you got away from him, he'd have made you and your DC feel as though they were mad when he is the one with the personality disorder. It's typical of the abusive people I know to not accept or even be able to comprehend any fault on their side, that's part of what makes them so horrible to be around.

iamnotwhat · 06/04/2016 16:52

Well done msatlantis Thanks

You're doing so well, and hopefully you've proved to yourself just how strong you are Smile

I know from experience that it's hard not to let things get to you. Wobbles are perfectly understandable though and you're doing the right things to get you through them.

A whole summer of maternity leave in Edinburgh with your little one... Bliss.

msatlantis · 06/04/2016 17:36

Thanks everyone. MN has really been key in keeping me strong over these past few months.

Goddess - that is a good idea about giving 'him' a 10 minute time slot each day. I will try that.
And springydaffs and GertrudeBadger - it's never their fault is it. Ever. And yes, my ex-OH has suggested to me that I try counselling or psychotherapy, that I am 'hormonal' and would do well with undertaking a mindfulness course! What is so glaringly obvious to me now, is that HE is the one with the personality disorder. For him, it is everyone else around him who has a 'problem' or 'disorder' or 'needs help'; funny that.
In a way I feel sorry for him, he does have a disorder, but by it's nature I'm not sure he can self-reflect and see that. I'm not sure he'll ever be happy.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 06/04/2016 17:45

Please don't be offended when I ask if you have been listening to The Archers? It's all there...

don't feel sorry for him. yy it's hard not to but at this stage (and going forward) you're going to need all your resources to survive him. You need to focus exclusively on you and your baby - there won't be anything left over to think about him. You need to be hard-nosed about this.

msatlantis · 06/04/2016 17:54

I haven't been listening to The Archers... but have read about it in the papers this week and last... wish I had been tuned in now.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 06/04/2016 18:05

And you can't catch up because this storyline has been going for 2 years - as close to real life as radio will allow! ie building slowly, slowly Sad

I assume it's available for the last 28 days so that's two omnibuses? Unfortunately the denouement is a bit too eastenders for my liking and not realistic (particularly as they've taken so long to build it up in real time and close to real life) - sorry, ranting! - but you can certainly get a good flavour by listening to the last month's worth.

Ha! Loading you up with homework. Sorry Blush

msatlantis · 06/04/2016 18:20

I'll check it out tonight. See if I can have a listen.

OP posts:
Atenco · 06/04/2016 19:54

I split up from my ex at the beginning of my pregnancy and he wanted to get back together for the sake of the baby. I had some wobbles, even though I knew that splitting up from him was the best thing I'd ever done, but once the baby was born I never did again. I very unscientifically put it down to the way all pregnant animals look for security.

My ex was violent but he was a pussy-cat compared to yours, OP. In your shoes, I would make sure to keep my child away from him and his family until he or she is an adult

Goingtobeawesome · 09/04/2016 16:39

Hope the birth goes well.

crazycatdad · 09/04/2016 17:08

Dump the rocket and bolt.

crazycatdad · 09/04/2016 17:10

Ha! Didn't see this was an old thread. Glad you made it back to Edinburgh.

msatlantis · 08/06/2016 17:24

A wee update...
DS was born a fortnight ago, 9lb 3.5oz in Edinburgh, with my Mum as my birth partner. We are both well! My family have been a fantastic support.
Ex-OH has not visited and for the best really. He is being as awkward as possible, but I don't really care anymore.
I still don't feel fully 'recovered' from the relationship and the EA but moving in the right direction.
Thanks to all who wished me and my LO well.

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 08/06/2016 17:25
Smile
PhoenixReisling · 08/06/2016 17:29

Congratulations!

Each day/week/month that passes the stronger you will feel.

Just be on guard.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 08/06/2016 17:38

That is great news! Congratulations on your wee bundle of joy.

TinyDancer69 · 08/06/2016 17:39

Congratulations on the birth of your darling DS💐 So happy for you! You're doing so well and made the right decision 100%. Your DS can have a happy and nurturing future and not be subjected to seeing his dear mother being abused.

A bright future awaits you and your DS. But as

Cheapthrills · 08/06/2016 17:40

What really lovely news. I followed your thread and think you did exactly the right and brave thing.

Babymouse · 08/06/2016 17:41

Congratulations! Flowers

TinyDancer69 · 08/06/2016 17:41

Oops posted too soon...as someone up thread said a be on your guard and do the Freedom Programme!