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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 25/01/2016 23:35

Don't be guilted in to thinking your child needs a father. Your child needs loving parents and abusive people are not loving.

I could just about kiss NorthernLurker on the mouth now.

OP: Too many - FAR TOO MANY - people think that a child needs two parents. Untrue. Yes, it's the ideal, but only if the parent can positively contribute to the well-being of the child.

In this instance, your lovely wee bairn would be massively worse off with this sick fucker anywhere near hir life.

diggerdigsdogs · 25/01/2016 23:36

Don't put him on the birth certificate.

You have to if you're married so definitely don't do that.

You can do this. You can get out, be free, see your friends, have a nice life, get away from him.

Quodlibet · 25/01/2016 23:52

Christ alive.
Your unborn child doesn't need this detrimental, damaging, abusive arsehole in its life. And nor do you.

For god's sake don't marry him. He will have a claim on your flat if you do, and it will be much, much harder to extricate yourself. Leave ASAP. It will be desperately hard to begin with, but in all honesty I think this pales in comparison with the hardship you lay up for yourself for the rest of your life if you stay with this fucker as he erodes your self-confidence and independence.

Bogeyface · 25/01/2016 23:52

MsAtlantis

You dont owe us an update, but if you could just post to say that you are ok, I would sleep better.

I am so very worried about you, please take care Flowers

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 26/01/2016 00:07

^^ What Bogeyface said.

Hugs and Flowers

Barmaid101 · 26/01/2016 00:19

Run! Run for the hills, do not marry him! Call your mum, she must be worried sick about you and her unborn grandchild!
Run run run run run

trackrBird · 26/01/2016 00:31

Don't, don't, don't. Get out and stay out before it gets worse (and it will ).

Of course he was sweet and attentive about the baby. Of course he proposed. Why? Because he knows that will trap you with him, and that suits him very well. Don't imagine he will change for the better if you stay with him: you will get no help with the pregnancy (as you've already seen), no help with the baby, and more aggression than you've ever seen before. And you'll be too tired and torn to take action.

Don't wait, please. Go home. Go to people who love you. He doesn't.

PitPatKitKat · 26/01/2016 01:23

Come home lassie. Like now. Flowers

Get here as soon as you can and definitely before the bairn arrives. Dinnae marry him for christ's sake.

Your mum is the voice of sanity and love. You will find someone else who loves you, don't worry about that.

Keep a written record of everything you have said here.

Take care

eleanoralice1 · 26/01/2016 01:46

Reading this scares me. I'm scared for you and I'm terrified for your baby. Please run and be with your family, the baby needs a safe", loving environment, and it does not sound as though he is providing you one. Things will only get worse. For the sake of your baby needing its Mother at her best and safe, run.

AGBforever · 26/01/2016 02:23

Please just go. The arrival of a baby can do strange things to a man - my DH was pretty awful in the early days of our first child tho he has mostly settled down now, some things can never be taken back - but he was mostly lovely beforehand.. I felt incredibly trapped and afraid for a long time and will never not work again under any circs as I was completely powerless for that dreadful time.

I'm also moving back to Scotland just now so if I can help in any way please pm me x

southernskies · 26/01/2016 02:34

Your post has given me shivers OP.

He sounds like he is experienced at this sort of behaviour. I wonder if that is why he is so desperate to cut you off from E.

Leave now. Or you may end up stuck in London which no support.

wotoodoo · 26/01/2016 03:01

DO NOT MARRY THIS MAN! GET AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN> HE IS A PSYCHO. PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR BABY

Fishface77 · 26/01/2016 07:36

And another thing don't "do the right thing" and keep him updated about the baby. There is nothing to gain. He will not change. He spat in your face. He is isolating you.
YOU OWE HIM NOTHING.

biscuitz72 · 26/01/2016 08:12

Go back to your family in Scotland. I think you know deep down that this is the only thing to do. You have a child to protect now. He will get worse, especially when you are on maternity leave and not working; you will be completely reliant on him.
He will probably stop you from visiting your family altogether (there will always be an excuse why you can't go).

If your friend from Manchester had written this post, what would you be advising her to do? I'm pretty sure you'd be telling her to leave immediately. THERE'S YOUR ANSWER. Please leave, but don't tell him; don't give him a chance to stop you. JUST GO!

Your child will thank you someday. DON'T put his name on the birth certificate (for your child's sake as well as yours).

Stay safe and please leave quickly. Let your friend and family help you.

N3wYear2016 · 26/01/2016 08:38

Your loving family and friends have already said that they will support you

Please go to live in Scotland asap

You and baby will be happy and safe there

--
You have no life with this man
You will be unhappy with this man in the future

Twitterqueen · 26/01/2016 08:45

Please. Go. Now.

Unlike some other pps on this thread I have no experience of what appears to be an abusive and controlling relationship - but your post has actually frightened me.

Listen to what everyone is saying here and get away from this awful man. The fact that you're actually even asking the question means he is already inside your head and is twisting your thoughts.

beelover · 26/01/2016 09:05

I am another saying go home now. Think this is one of the most frightening things I have read on MN. If you were my daughter I would be on my way down to get you right now, your family will feel the same way.

Keeptrudging · 26/01/2016 09:16

If you go home to your family, you will be able to enjoy the rest of your pregnancy, and every precious minute once your baby is born. You will feel loved and safe.

I chose to stay with my controlling/abusive ex, wanting to believe that things would change once the baby arrived. They didn't, and his behaviour became so bad that I left with nothing when DS was 3 months old, to go and live in a refuge. I will never get those first 3 months back (or erase the memories of how horrible he was during labour). He spoiled my initial experience of being a mum. Please don't hang about, he doesn't deserve any more chances, poisonous man.Flowers

BifsWif · 26/01/2016 09:24

Go home to your mum OP. Please.

You need to leave this man now. He has shown you who he is, take some things and run. Don't put him on the birth certificate, say you don't know who the father is if you have to but please, please don't stay and marry this man.

expatinscotland · 26/01/2016 09:29

LEAVE. No more contact. Don't put him on birth certificate.

wotoodoo · 26/01/2016 09:36

Imagine if you had a son and he grew up to spit in your face and his partner's because that was the role model he grew up with. How would you feel? He will learn from the environment he grows up with and if you stay with a man who does that you are telling them it's ok behaviour.

Imagine you had a daughter and her partner spat in her face? She turns to you, her mum. What would you say to her, that's ok, daddy did that to me and it's something all men do and you don't have to leave, it's ok for him to do that?

WAKE UP op you have a CHILD to protect.

HPsauciness · 26/01/2016 09:40

I think now is the time to put behind you the idealistic vision that if you love each other, and want to be a little family together, this is going to work out. It is not going to work out. Not only that, it is already not working out, in fact, just the spitting alone is so bad you should have left then.

It is hard to let that vision go, because you sound like a lovely person, and you probably think if you work hard enough, and bend enough, there may be a chance to be a happy family. There isn't, because your dd or ds will grow up to see these thing, think they are normal and perhaps even live through themselves.

I think you have to protect you, protect your child and go home to Scotland. Once there, I bet you will never ever look back.

wheresthebeach · 26/01/2016 09:58

He spat in your face...worse will come.

He will isolate you. No seeing your friends or family. Everything will be about his control, his mood, his desires. You will be nothing but puppets to him.

Run...run home and don't look back.

Keep your child safe.

PrivatePike · 26/01/2016 10:04

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hellsbellsmelons · 26/01/2016 10:08

Non-one, and I mean absolutely no-one on here is going to advise you to stay with an abusive, controlling man.
It's escalating quite fast and will escalate even more once baby is here.
You need to get away as quickly as possible.
Call your mum and get her down to London to help you pack up and leave.
Get back to Scotland and be with supportive, loving people who want the absolute best for you.
Do NOT listen to his promises to change. To get counselling. About suicide.
Just get away. Block, delete and ignore!
And as PPs have said, do NOT for a single minute think of putting him on the birth certificate.
A controlling prick like this will do all he can to make your life a misery.
Get you family and friends all around you and ensure you have no more contact with this nasty piece of work.

Once you are away, contact Womens Aid and do their Freedom Programme.
You have missed a whole array of red flags here and you need to learn how to spot them and get away far far sooner than this.

Good luck. Pack up, get away and start afresh away from abuse and control!