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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

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Talcott2007 · 17/02/2016 20:36

First thing I thought when I saw this thread pop up again on my active list was "please don't let Atlantis have changed her mind about leaving this vile man!" I don't really have advice about the practicalities of being a single parent but I know you will find your way and handle it brilliantly. You have been so strong and are absolutely doing the right thing leaving this toxic relationship. Does it really matter what people think? You dont need to justify anything to anyone. You know 1st hand how manipulative ex-oh is so it's likely he'said been painting his own version of what's happened but the most important thing is that the people who actually matter in your life - your family and friends already know the truth and love and support you.

SpicedGingerTea · 18/02/2016 11:39

OP I have been a single parent from the moment I found out I was pregnant. My H buggered off one day and a few days later I found out I was expecting. He was also abusive and continued for some months to hound me with texts and emails - it was my fault he'd left (I hadn't loved him enough), it was my fault for not fighting for him (er, well he HAD told me he'd got another women pregnant, so no I wouldn't fight for him ever), he tried to twist and blame me, manipulate me, make me feel guilty, to control my actions.......

As we progressed through our divorce (which lasted during the pregnancy and also for a good year after) he still tried to contact me. After a few weeks I ignored it all and only communicated through formal channels - I occasionally sent him a couple of emails, the rest was done through my solicitor. It was hard, but it has been the only way for me to get through this and keep my sanity.

Fast forward a couple of years and I live on my own with my lively and happy little boy who is now nearly 3. He has never seen his father (my H's choice, never shown an interest or concern about our welfare). I work part time and he goes to nursery. He is happy, we are happy. I had support from my parents who live nearby. I have control back. We don't have a lot of money but our needs are simple. I do get lonely at points, but I never miss the fear and sense of walking on eggshells I felt in my marriage. We have 2 cats, they are our family. Smile I won't lie, it is hard work doing it on your own, but there are also a lot of good points too - and I echo everyone on here who has said it's easier on your own than with someone like your OH.

Please PM if you want to talk more, but you are much better without this man.

Ohfourfoxache · 18/02/2016 11:59

Atlantis please, please stay strong. This man is a cunt. Actually, no he isn't - he lacks the depth and warmth.

He is trying to find excuses as to why you left, he either cannot or will not see that he's been abusive.

Get through your time in London one step at a time. I'm in outer NW London (just within the m25 and no more!) - happy to hand hold in RL Thanks

TrickyTreeLou offers incredible advice. She has been through utter shit (I was on your original thread Lou - still Shock at the chutney) but has come through it all with amazing strength and dignity. And you can too. You can be happy and free and safe, I promise.

Keep posting, we'll all help as much as we possibly can Thanks

Kr1stina · 18/02/2016 12:35

When do you stop for maternity leave ?

If you work for a large company, is it possible to transfer to another office / workplace in Edinburgh ?

Kr1stina · 18/02/2016 12:36

Sorry I wasn't clear. I'd don't mean transfer now, I mean for when you come back after maternity leave .

jclm · 18/02/2016 12:55

BTW if you ring Womens aid they can help you with advice and support.

HazelBite · 18/02/2016 14:54

Hang on in there Atlantis, if you are feeling a bit low and lonely I'm sure there are plenty of M'netters in the London area that would offer practical and emotional support Flowers

SauvignonPlonker · 18/02/2016 14:56

And in Edinburgh too BrewCake

msatlantis · 18/02/2016 15:10

It would be good to meet some M'netters once I'm on mat leave - so in Edinburgh.
I don't stop for maternity until April. Trying to work from home on a Friday now, so I'm only in London Monday through Thursday.

The company I work for are large, but they don't have an office in Scotland. If I had to come back down south after my maternity leave I lived in Berkhamsted for a few years (before I met ex-OH), have friends there and liked living there. Though I may look for other opportunities in Edinburgh. Not sure.

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cuautepec · 18/02/2016 15:37

I brought my dd up alone, left my abusive ex before I knew I was pregnant. Honestly it was great.

One thing I foud though was that while I was still pregnant I was sometimes tempted to get back with him, but that feeling lifted immediately the baby was born.

It is much easier to enjoy your baby if you are not having to deal with shit from your partner at the same time. I'm not a medical expert but most of teh women who post that they had/have PND, had/have abusive men in their lives.

I know it is hard for you at the moment but it is really, really worth it. And do try to find out how your ex knew you were in hospital.

Kr1stina · 18/02/2016 17:20

Remember that if you settle in England with your baby, your ex can stop you moving back to Scotland .

Corabell · 18/02/2016 20:11

Edinburgh is a lovely city to have a baby in. There are heaps of things to get involved in so you can meet other mums. There is a Facebook group called "Edinburgh for under fives" so you could join that and get involved when you have your baby. If you do your ante natal classes in Edinburgh you may meet other mothers too.

Your ex is horrible. Vile and dangerous. To spit in your face shows such nastiness and contempt. He is now trying to diminish your decision by trying to say you didn't seem yourself when you left him. It's not true. When you left him you were doing the absolute right thing - there is no doubt you need to keep away from this abuser and protect your child from him.

oooshlapoosh · 18/02/2016 20:29

It will be so much harder to leave once the baby arrives. Leave now.
I used to be with a man like this- one minute he would fly off the handle, the next he would have surprised me with something wonderful.
It took a while but I soon realised that the wonderful wasn't worth the misery. Having a baby on your own will be tough, but nowhere near as tough as if you stay with him.
Go home to your loving family xx

SonjasSister · 18/02/2016 21:22

I can imagine yes it must feel lonely at the moment, and I expect you're pretty exhausted which may not be helping. Just a few weeks to go now and you will be back near your family. Getting warm loving support from them, not misery confusion and gaslighting from horrid face-spitting ex. We're all proffering virtual Brews - wish I could pop round and watch telly with you! Just keep on looking after yourself and be so proud that you have done the right thing for yourself and the baby.

NameChangeEr · 18/02/2016 22:20

Try and find another job in Scotlamd if you can, your friends and family will be there. Don't live in London where he can hound you if you can make it work anyother way.
Glad you are seeing someone to talk through everything and that you are strong.

Fishface77 · 18/02/2016 22:51

It may be, op that your feeling tired, lonely sad and emotional.
You have done the right thing for yourself and your child. Please please don't go back to him or contact him. How did he find out you were in hospital? You need to stop that.
Do not put him on birth certificate.
He has controlled and manipulated and gas lighted (lit?) you all the way through your relationship so it can stop now.

trappedinsuburbia · 18/02/2016 22:59

Edinburgh is a great place, I love taking the kids there is so much to do.
I had also left my ex before I found out I was pregnant and had my DS alone and it was so much easier than being in any relationship never mind a bad one. I remember thinking at the time that I could never have managed a relationship on top of looking after ds and it was such a special time when he was so little with just the 2 of us. You just don't have time for any crap once baby arrives.
I had my dd when I was in a good relationship and honestly I chucked him out after 3 months, having a child puts a huge strain on any relationship never mind one where your being abused.
Oh and I also had in my mind when I had ds that we could be friends and co-parent. Well that never happened, once he realised I wasn't going back he didn't want to know, he has never even met his son and that has been for the best in retrospect.

BearFoxBear · 18/02/2016 23:13

Edinburgh is a great place to bring your baby up, especially with your family around. I'm in Edinburgh and available for coffee :)

tipsytrifle · 18/02/2016 23:15

Forgive me, atlantis I'm a bit confused. I thought you had gone to Scotland for good. To start a new life in freedom. But it seems you're back in London. Surely your/any GP would sign you off sick in the circumstances, if it's losing Mat Leave Pay that brought you back to stay in a strange bedroom alone when you could be with family who care. Are you in contact with "him". Is he an X yet or is that kind of fluid atm?

FinallyFreeFromItAll · 18/02/2016 23:21

It's like has no self-awareness or genuine empathy. And somehow always makes me feel bad and makes himself look generous.
Do people like this actually know what they are doing?

Yes, they do. Don't read his emails, its just manipulative crap to keep your self-esteem down and try and get back where he can continue to control and manipulate you. Ignore his calls. Set yourself fully free.

I had 2DC (7months & 3.5yrs) when I finally left. I promise you that being a single mother is so so much easier than living with an abusive dick. Even when we were all ill with a bad sickness bug and I'd had a pretty much no sleep for a few days, I was less exhausted emotionally & physically than I was on a typical day with abusive ex. Honestly. If you had stayed the abuse would have kept escalating and I don't think there is anything more draining, both physically and emotionally than living like that.

In the early days I'm sure your DM will be there to help with baby as much as possible anyway and she'll be a damn site more helpful in whatever time she is there with you than a full time abusive dick could ever be.

FinallyFreeFromItAll · 18/02/2016 23:27

Oh and re:work - I'd go sick. Its not worth the distress to you - your mental health is important too. Don't worry about finances too much there is help out there, if you need it (and a lot of single mothers use benefits whilst they are getting on their feet after escaping, so don't be too proud to take that help).

FlatOnTheHill · 19/02/2016 00:00

Leave, leave now and go back to Scotland. You dont need an arse like that.

msatlantis · 29/02/2016 14:30

An update - ex-OH's recent behaviour makes me know I have done the right thing in leaving him.

Our correspondence has been limited to email. He didn't/doesn't understand why we are not together.
By email I told him why our relationship had ended (his unreasonable behaviour (I gave examples of incidents), walking on eggshells, not able to be myself, did not want to expose baby to unhappy environment etc.)
His response was to dispute my version of these incidents, saying he 'didn't see the reality' of such allegations, but he then went on to say he didn't see the point in 'going over old ground' where I asked him to provide specific examples of where he disagreed with what I had said.
He obviously doesn't think his behaviour was unreasonable as he's still 'baffled' as to why the relationship has ended.

He is now trying to turn things around and twist them so that I look irrational, and like a home-wrecker. I am not sure exactly why he is doing this, but I know there must be an agenda for it.

He is also trying to guilt-trip me by saying that I have no consideration for his feelings, and that I will be taking his only child away from him if I move to Scotland permanently. Should I feel bad if his contact with his child is limited?

I don't know how to respond. He twists everything I say, and I don't like the way he does it so as to leave a written email trail of twisted words and lies, which make me look bad (and which protect him). His job requires him to have an impeccable record, so he is probably trying to cover his back should anything ever squeak out.

He is making me really angry now. Trying to remain calm for unborn baby's sake.

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BrucieTheShark · 29/02/2016 14:49

It doesn't matter.

It just doesn't matter.

Don't reply. Only reply to emails about maintenance and contact arrangements for the baby.

You have a perfect right not to be in a relationship that you don't want to be in. you don't have to explain yourself any further. Stop trying. It doesn't matter what he thinks or what he tells people.

If I were you, I would think very carefully about moving back down into England. It really sounds to me as though staying in Scotland would be a wise move.

Worry about his influence on your DC further down the line. Given the distance and his personality, you might find he ends up being extremely hands-off, which is probably a good thing given that he sounds personality-disordered.

msatlantis · 29/02/2016 14:55

I think he will ultimately remain hands-off, he has never been particularly interested in children, and if he did have any contact with DC further down the line, it'd probably be his Mum who would do most of the actual caring. I think he just wants to look as though he is saying the right things. And he probably can't stand the fact I am holding the reins.

He has two big dogs which require a lot of caring and his Mum has ended up doing 90% of the work involved with the dogs (not that you can compare dogs to children... but, you know).

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