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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
GirlInTheDirtyShirt · 01/03/2016 23:56

Run for the fucking hills. Now. I speak as a survivor of an abusive relationship. Your post rang so many bells for me. Just get out. Now.

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 03/03/2016 11:49

Hello Ms Atlantis. I've read the whole thread and am so relieved that you've removed yourself from this toxic relationship. If you waiver at all, do keep re-reading it.

I can only echo the excellent advice and support you've been given here and urge you to stay strong for your sake, your future child's sake and your overall wellbeing.

The more distant you become from this man, the more you'll realize just how abusive he's been towards you and you'll see how much further it could've all deteriorated. You would've become a wreck and a shadow of your former self. A nice house and comfortable lifestyle is a lovely thing to enjoy, but the cost in this case, is far too high and you and your baby will have a much happier life that you make for yourselves.

msatlantis · 03/03/2016 12:28

Hi all,

I am still getting counselling. Finding it really helpful. It is difficult to dis-engage/switch-off sentimentality/reasonableness and feelings of guilt overnight. But as the days go by I do feel stronger and more comfortable with my decision to have the baby in Scotland. I have written all the awful abusive and narcissistic things he has done in a book - whenever I wobble I re-read my notes, or this thread.

The Scottish solicitor I saw said that I was better to give birth in Scotland, as it would be easier for my ex to try and impose a court order to have me stay in England with the baby if I gave birth in England. The solicitor also said that even if my ex is not on the birth certificate he is obliged to pay child maintenance and that this can be arranged via the CMS.

He emailed this morning to say that since I am planning to have and "take the baby away from its father", can I make arrangements for my belongings to be collected from his house. I am going to get my Dad to make arrangements and make the trip.
He also states that he still doesn't understand why I have chosen to end the relationship (HIS BEHAVIOUR!) and that in his opinion the best thing for baby is to have both parents living under the same roof. He just cannot see/accept that his behaviour has been and is off the scale. I just find it quite unbelievable. There is always someone else or something else to blame - never him.

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EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 03/03/2016 12:54

That all sounds positive Smile

Remember, not only will he not see and accept responsibility, even for a part of the breakdown of your relationship, he's actively tried to turn it all on to you.

I've been with my DH a very long time and love him with all my heart, but if he spat in my face we'd be living apart and extremely unlikely to get back together. That's only one thing that you tried to move on from. You really did try.

Just don't engage with him and do filter any contact you get from him.

Kr1stina · 03/03/2016 18:31

Please don't waste your energy trying to get him to admit to his faults. He never EVER will.

Focus on your bright new future - a beautiful baby, a peaceful and safe family home near your parents, a new job . It will be fine .

goddessofsmallthings · 03/03/2016 23:00

I'm pleased to learn that the information that's been given to you on this thread has been confirmed by a solicitor who has no doubt also told you that once you've registered the birth your ex cannot apply for his name to be added to the birth certificate but, if he is so minded, he can apply for parental responsibility in his own right which, if granted, will co-exist with yours.

There is always someone else or something else to blame - never him This man is in denial and sees nothing whatsoever wrong with his behaviour, which is another reason why he is so dangerous to you and which is why you're best advised to tell him you've miscsarried/moving to some far flung outpost of the British Empire.

Be aware that if you claim child maitenance via the CSA he will use any trick in the book means to claw it back from you in kind and his interest rate will be extortionate.

tipsytrifle · 03/03/2016 23:25

Please don't believe a word he has said regarding the "taking his child to Scotland/parents under same roof" shit. He has probably been told to put these things/key words and phrases, sounding resigned and almost reasonable in email by his solicitor. Do not drop your guard or think this is over at all. I did both of those things and was utterly blindsided with what followed.

FuckFaulknerILikeTheGruffalo · 31/03/2016 12:52

How are you doing, msatlantis?

msatlantis · 01/04/2016 11:21

Hi,

I am doing okay thanks. I have my flat in Edinburgh and am having works done on it this month to create an extra room for the baby. Baby is due next month. My family have been super. Physically I am keeping well, though I am still finding the emotional stuff hard to get my head round. Just trying to stay strong. Resisting communicating with him.

Today was the day my ex-OH (and his mother) set for our wedding. We would have been getting married at 2pm (no joke BTW given the date!)
Feel a mixture of relief and (sorry) sadness. I am relieved I am not committing myself (and baby) to a life of emotional abuse. But sad because I can't help but think about some of the good times when we first got together and how things might have been if he hadn't changed (or indeed shown his true colours).

Have been reading a few of the other emotional abuse posts on MN over the past couple of months... it really doesn't matter how highly educated or savvy you are, the way an abuser works is prolific and the result is very difficult to put to the side.

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nomorechocolate2016 · 01/04/2016 13:44

It's good to hear you are safe and relatively well although of course you will struggle to get your head around what has happened. I understand your sadness about today but it is horrendous to think how it could have been if you had stayed with him. Have you decided to have your baby in Scotland?

msatlantis · 01/04/2016 13:58

Yes, I am having the baby in Edinburgh. Mum is going to be my birth partner.

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tipsytrifle · 01/04/2016 14:47

What a relief to hear that you have now moved back to Scotland. Your new home in Edinburgh sounds wonderful. A beautiful city. You have hands-on, supportive, loving family and a new life to build. Well done! I wish you every happiness and joy. You're allowed to be sad on occasion for all the shit you've been through, of course, but you made an amazing stand for a better life and you've done it. Be very proud of yourself! Flowers

springydaffs · 01/04/2016 15:48

Have you moved back to Scotland? Or are you still in London?

I don't want to give you the heebies but - babies arrive when they plain please. You don't want to find yourself in labour in London...

Re your wedding date today - I was very upset the day my horrifically abusive ex married again. I left him (yay me!) and she was welcome to him (poor woman). It's all the hope and promise that came to nothing that hurts I think.

Thanks for updating. You are so right that no-one is immune to an abuser's tactics. No-one at all.

msatlantis · 01/04/2016 16:45

In the main I am in Scotland. I have to pop down to London from time to time for work but am doing most of my work from home. And only a few weeks to go until my maternity leave starts.

You are right springydaffs it's the hope and promise that never materialised; it hurts and it's really disappointing.

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Fishface77 · 01/04/2016 17:50

Well done OP!
That's brilliant!
Let us know what you have! Flowers

SauvignonPlonker · 01/04/2016 18:29

Great to hear you're back. Edinburgh is a great place to bring up a baby. If you're looking for ideas/places to go with baby, please feel free to PM me. I'm in north/west Edinburgh.

Here's to the rest of your pregnancy being less stressful.

houseeveryweekend · 01/04/2016 18:41

omg how awful for you please do not marry this man! No one should be dictating to you who you can see or how much you can see them. I think you know that though. Im glad you have the support of your family. Please leave before you have the baby and are too tired and vulnerable to leave. xxxxx

houseeveryweekend · 01/04/2016 18:43

Oh sorry I just read the original post and didn't see you had already left! Well done you!! You've done the right thing and your life will be loads better you know it will!! xxxxx

Musicaltheatremum · 01/04/2016 19:50

Welcome to Edinburgh. I'm in South Edinburgh. Sorry it's a bit colder up hear but I think you're very sensible, and brave, to move back.

rollmeover · 01/04/2016 19:56

Well done you. What you are doing is very hard, but I guarantee that in 10, 15, 20 years you will be so proud of yourself.
Oh, and Simpsons is awesome to give birth in Grin

FuckFaulknerILikeTheGruffalo · 01/04/2016 21:55

Ahh I'm so glad to hear you're settling in Scotland and doing well.

I can see how you can't simply think "Good riddance!" to him, because emotional abuse is much more complicated than just hating him when you cotton on. Not communicating and taking time for your own headspace, reading things as you are, that's really great and it'll get you feeling stronger.

You have made such a good decision for yourself and your child, so pleased for you!

springydaffs · 01/04/2016 22:57

I forget - have you done the Freedom Programme?

msatlantis · 04/04/2016 15:50

Thanks. I know I've done the right thing but still finding it REALLY hard. Hopefully after a bit more time on my own it'll get easier.

Springydaffs - no I haven't done the FP as have been between Edinburgh and London. Do you think it's still worth doing later in the year?

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butteredmuffin · 04/04/2016 16:05

msatlantis - I remember reading this thread before I joined mumsnet and was just lurking.

So glad to hear you are having your baby in Scotland. You are back home, close to your family, you have your own home in one of the world's loveliest cities, and you are going to have a beautiful baby. Congratulations and good luck to you.

springydaffs · 04/04/2016 18:59

The Freedom Programme is worth doing asap. It will get your head straight in record time - a combination of crucial information about abusers, their tactics, how we buy into it; and RL. There's something about RL that just works, especially meeting other (ordinary) women who are going through a similar journey. The online version is definitely beneficial but, again, it's info on a page/screen. Something about RL does it somehow.

I know you have your hands full at the mo, but can you factor in a group somewhere in your schedule? I only say that because imo it is essential to get this stuff straight in our head - and the FP does that. The groups are about an hour long, rolling programme of 12 sessions. Find a group near you .

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