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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
Kr1stina · 01/03/2016 11:11

The OP can't put his name in the birth certificate , as they are not married. He would have to attend with her to register the birth .

That is why I'm suggesting that she resister the birth before she tells him that the baby has been born . That way he can't put pressure on her when she is feeling hormonal . Or be tempted by his promises / scared by his threats .

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 01/03/2016 11:25

I agree with goddess' mini-scolding before - Atlantis, you really need to take this seriously! Youve had weeks to come to terms with your situation: by now, the decision to keep Twunt as far away as possible from your lovely wee child should be set in stone in your mind by now.

I can only assume, since you're asking questions to which you know - know - the answers, he's doing a number on your head, by dint of you allowing him access to you. This has to stop. You're strong but, I fear, not that strong. True strength and courage includes knowing your limits, and compensating for them where necessary. Don't think yourself a failure for asking for help.

To this end, I totally agree with all the suggestions for getting a trusted third party to read and filter his emails to you. How's your friend in Manchester situated? I'm sure she'd be happy to help.

Take care of yourself.

wallywobbles · 01/03/2016 11:28

I regret enormously putting my DCs father on the birth certificate. I wanted to do the "right" thing. I was wrong.

goddessofsmallthings · 01/03/2016 12:13

For the sake of your as yet unborn child, I implore you not to make the dangerous mistake of believing that if this man is present at the birth, and sees you cradling his newborn, he will morph into a loving and caring partner and father as this can NEVER happen, atlantis.

The only way you will avoid becoming a bruised and battered resident of a women's refuge is to CUT ALL CONTACT NOW, get as far away from him as possible, do not inform him of the birth, do not allow him to accompany you to the Register Office, and take all possible precautions to ensure that he is unable to discover your future address(es).

PoundingTheStreets · 01/03/2016 12:41

There is a massive link between domestic abuse and child abuse. It's not fashionable to say so because we live in a society where 'contact' is considered to be a holy grail even when that contact is with a parent who has repeatedly proven themselves to be abusive and incapable of putting anyone but themselves first. Anyone who is an abuser is not capable of doing the right thing by a child IMO and should have their contact carefully restricted if given at all. Eventually, I think society will go that way as it is becoming more acknowledged, but it is a painfully slow process and it's nowhere near there yet.

In your case OP you have a chance to avoid all this. If you don't invite your X to the registration, he can still apply to the courts for PR (and they'll grant it), but would he bother? And if he doesn't even know where you had the baby, when, or where you are living, he cannot even do that!

If it were me in your shoes, I would probably quietly disappear. Your child deserves only people who will enhance his/her life, not whittle away at your wellbeing and thus theirs. That's not a parent, that's a parasite.

PoundingTheStreets · 01/03/2016 12:42

Congratulations and good luck. Smile Flowers

MiniCooperLover · 01/03/2016 13:13

He is pushing and pushing because he wants control over you using the baby !! Or worse he's trying to make you look unstable so he can take the baby eventually !! Make sure you are in Scotland to give birth and get that baby registered before he's aware!

doughnutslikefannys · 01/03/2016 13:18

Does he know your due date? What are the chances of him ambushing you with his mother again when you're about to give birth?

msatlantis · 01/03/2016 14:03

I will register the birth myself, but expect he will go through the court process to have his name added...
And then what - what are the main things that are contested between a mother and father with PR? Where the child is schooled? Holidays?
The thought on ongoing conflict fills me with dread. I would just like some peace in my life/baby's life.

He knows my due date. But the chances of me having the baby on due date are slim; and I don't think he'd hang around the maternity wing for a prolonged period on the chance I might come in.

I really am trying to be strong. It is difficult when you've never been exposed to someone like this before. With my friends, family, colleagues etc I'd like to think I am considered, kind and compassionate - and I am having to learn to block these natural behaviours when it comes to him.

OP posts:
PoundingTheStreets · 01/03/2016 14:22

You have the right to choose which hospital you go to, so it needn't be one he's expecting. And without knowing your home address, when/where your baby is born, or even what gender, he is going to find it very difficult to lodge an application for PR. Just make sure you tell all those involved in your maternity care about the true nature of your X's abuse. They will be supportive when you have a wobble and will also protect you. Your X has no right to know where you are or what you are doing just because you are pregnant.

I know where you're coming from in terms of using new behaviours to protect yourself when it goes against your natural way of dealing with people. It gets easier with time. Just keep reminding yourself that you cannot reason with unreasonable people so it is utterly pointless to try. All you can do is put boundaries in place and enforce them. Do not engage. Ever. It doesn't make you cold, it makes you a mother protecting her child.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 01/03/2016 14:53

It doesn't make you cold, it makes you a mother protecting her child.

Abdolutely. There's nothing more white-hot, and natural, than a mother's protectiveness. Your child deserves this, and deserves for it not to be diluted by any misplaced concern for a twunt who has plenty of time to sort himself out, who has been given more than enough chances.

It's sweet and wonderful that you like to be nice. We all love you for that! And right-thinking person would (which pretty much proves our point about twunt).

But put it on a larger stage - we as women are constantly being socialised to be nice to everybody, even and especially the abuser, the street harasser, the system that constantly keeps us down. Nice, nice, nice until there's nothing left of our souls. That can't be natural.

Get protective, get angry if you like. You're tiger momma: even the sexist gits would understand you stepping away from "nice" to protect your wee child.

FinallyFreeFromItAll · 01/03/2016 15:07

Have you told your midwife? Have you spoken to women's aid? If not, do ASAP. It will help support your claims later on if he does find you and try to get PR and visitation.

msatlantis · 01/03/2016 15:25

Yes, I've spoken with my midwife.

OP posts:
Treetop12 · 01/03/2016 15:39

I agree with the above posts. If you don't leave him now, it will only get harder.

I understand it's overwhelming and scary, but once you have made the decision and you're back in Scotland, I'm sure you will feel such relief.

My friend came back to the UK after falling pregnant in New Zealand. she thought she had found the love of her life, but he turned into a bully and she made the brave decision to get on a flight and come home. she hasn't looked back, and has an amazing 6 year old daughter. of course it has been tough on her own, but it has made her into a strong, independent woman.

go for it OP . .you can do so much better. go and have a nice life with your family xxx

Atenco · 01/03/2016 15:50

I'm so glad you are safe and staying away from him.

Yes, he can apply to be put on the birth cert but he may not and, if he does, whatever time it takes you buys you a good breathing space to have peace with your baby.

PhoenixReisling · 01/03/2016 16:05

Have you visited CAB for advice?

I know baby isn't born and it could take some time if contact is discussed in the courts (and yes it should be, don't do this through mediation etc because he is abusive and would most probably run rings around everyone), but if you know what legally he is entitled too then it should make you more confident.

Also, if the midwife knows then she/you can tell the hospital who can/cannot visit the hospital when you are in labour. I would also stay at your parents and ensure that someone is always with you (in case he turns up uninvited). If you are inclined to let him see the baby I wouldn't then personally I would let someone else oversee this.

When baby is born, you will also need t let your HV and GP know about him, so you can professional support too.

PhoenixReisling · 01/03/2016 16:07

Get professional support!

msatlantis · 01/03/2016 16:26

I spoke with a solicitor in Scotland a few weeks ago regarding giving birth in Scotland and child maintenance etc. So I have a point of contact I can use.

OP posts:
Kr1stina · 01/03/2016 17:32

Make sure it's written on your medical notes that you are separated from your abusive ex. Just in case he finds out somehow and turns up at the hospital - he won't be allowed in to see you.

I know it's a bit embarrassing to have to tell people but the midwife is quite used to it - sadly they see this all the time

SauvignonPlonker · 01/03/2016 17:40

OP, did I remember correctly that you're planning to have the baby in Scotland? If so, and you're worried about him turning up at the hospital, perhaps consider St John's in Livingston rather than RIE/Simpson's. It's a lovely unit & he's far less likely to show up there. I guess it depends what side of Edinburgh you're on.

Agree with others that he's still trying to control & manipulate you. Stay strong!

rumbleinthrjungle · 01/03/2016 19:47

Also to mention in addition to Phoenix if mediation is offered to you at any time respond clearly and straight away that he is abusive, so it's not an option. Yes he may go all the way to court, but to do that he's going to have to invest time, money and effort, and then have a judge look at the evidence that you had to run away to Scotland to get away from him.

Parental responsibility does mean he would have rights about things like health decisions and agreeing to treatments, choice of school, the right to collect the child from nursery/childminder and take them home with him at will (a court order would protect against this and specify if and when the child should be with him and mean the police would insist the child was returned to you) you would need agreement to take the child out of the country etc (there are details about how many days but that can still be made awkward if you have a twat in your life who enjoys controlling and upsetting you). It's potentially a big deal.

Step one - DONT make it easy for him. He will have to do the leg work and put in the time to take it into court.

Step two - collect evidence. ALL evidence. Make sure everyone is informed that he is abusive, keep texts, emails, get it on your GP/HV record, good that your midwife knows and keep her informed. You will need to go to court with strong evidence that he has a large interest in controlling you (and evidence that the crap he will purport about you in court is a lot of bollocks and evidence that he is a manipulative, abusive bastard) for a court order to somewhat tie his hands.

rumbleinthrjungle · 01/03/2016 19:50

Meant to add: in addition to step one, DON'T give him any information about what you are doing or intend to do. All information you give him is something he can use. Don't tell him he will have to take it to court, he can find that out for himself over time. Don't tell him you are planning not to put him on the birth certificate. Basically avoid telling him any information at all.

tipsytrifle · 01/03/2016 20:32

What did the Scottish lawyer say about giving birth in Scotland and child maintenance? Are you going to Scotland for the birth?

I kind of thought you were starting a new life free of him and any financial input he might be obliged to make; that you were breaking away from him and starting over with your child-to-be. This isn't the path you're on though, is it?

Atenco · 01/03/2016 23:21

I know that you are entitled to child maintenance without him being on the birth cert, but maybe in this case it might be a good idea, if possible, to forego it, unless he takes it to court and gets PR.

NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 23:35

Are you still getting counselling, OP? Hope so.

You need to stop communicating with him. Stop engaging. Stop explaining. If you absolutely must contact him, keep it short and to the point - blunt if necessary.

And do not put his name on the birth certificate.

I don't think you should even let him have any contact with the baby, tbh. Your child would be better off with no father than with an abusive fuck like him.

Please don't feel guilty. He is responsible for his behaviour and the consequences: you leaving him to keep yourself and your child safe.

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