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Why would anyone become the OW?

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StillAgainstTheWind · 25/01/2016 16:10

I am mystified as to why any woman would knowingly become the OW.

My friend's marriage was destroyed by her DH's affair last year. Why would any woman choose to sleep with a married man especially one with children?

Statiscally I imagine those affairs that end in a happy, faithful marriage between the affair partners are a tiny minority.

Getting a shag from a single bloke isn't fucking difficult. If a woman is just after sex there's plenty of options other than a married man.

And if it's the soulmates bullshit, well it takes a lot of fucking steps to get to the point of feeling that way.

The reality for most is, I would guess, a snatched hour or two of furtive fucking. Lots of time waiting around for a call or text. Being let down at the last minute.

Why would anyone settle for so little? You hear of women who wait years for the man to leave and he never does. Their whole life on hold waiting for an event that doesn't happen.

How is it justified by OW morally. The man is the one who made the vows I guess?

My friend's husband was a knob anyway and was thinking with his dick. But he didn't make the OW any promises and months later I can't see the appeal for her.

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JonesTheSteam · 09/02/2016 17:04

As I've said before I know good people do bad things. It's life.

It's the lack of empathy and dismissing of distress that really annoys me from some of the posters on this thread.

Some of the posting on here from people who've been OW is so cold and heartless, dismissing other people's pain, just because they've had far worse happen in their lives or because it's been 10 years. It's a very hard-hearted attitude to have.

Pain is pain, whatever the cause and to think that people should just get over things after a certain amount of time, or because 'it's a first world problem' makes me very glad that I have a heart and feel sorry for anyone in pain or distress, regardless of the cause.

I hate seeing anyone in distress or feeling sad.

Today I had a spectacularly bad day in work and am full of flu. At the end of the day the person in charge of my last place of work gave me a hug as she could see I was upset about something! It wasn't an earth shattering problem or anything bad. But thank God for kindness. It's what makes people human.

paxillin · 09/02/2016 17:11

I've witnessed ex spouses deliberately trying to turn kids against dad and his partner and emotionally manipulating children. Maybe it's that the women I've seen have been younger and less wise than the ones you have seen.

Bloody hell, how often have you been the OW, confusionoftheillusion? I would worry about starting a relationship being the OW, I could never trust and relax. Most people repeat previous behaviour all their life and I'd always wonder if he's started with the new OW yet, now I'm the official one.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 09/02/2016 17:15

I really don't know how anyone can still justify being an ow after reading some of the heartbreaking posts on here

Potatoface2 · 09/02/2016 17:24

confusion should just remember the statement 'when a cheat leaves his wife for another woman, he creates a vacancy'.....one day she will know what its like to be left for someone else .....shes gonna need a lot of support, she prob wont get it on here!

SongBird16 · 09/02/2016 17:42

I was recently reading something about victim blaming. It said that people are always quick to blame the victim, or to exaggerate the victim's responsibility for their own downfall, not just to avoid culpability but also to avoid vulnerability.

It must be their own fault, because otherwise they are innocent, the world is arbitrary and dangerous, and the same thing could happen to me.

It strikes me that many of the ows on here are doing just this. The wife is a terrible person, she didn't hug him when he came home from work, she wasn't interested enough in what he said, she wasn't fun or sexy or clever enough, it won't happen to me.

It's delusional nonsense. If all of those things bothered him enough, he'd have left already.

Men who have affairs would do so if their wife was a mixture of Claudia Schiffer and Mother Theresa.

The wife will also have a list of minor irritations that he is unaware of or can't be bothered addressing (I suppose it's nagging if the wife is unhappy about something?). They come to the forefront of his mind only when he needs to justify his desire to fuck someone else.

And to all the smug ows who think they've ended up with their soulmate - that's what 'my' ow thinks. You should hear the way he speaks about her, or see him begging to come home for the umpteenth time.

SongBird16 · 09/02/2016 17:49

What a bunch of sad sacks they are. Sitting around waiting for whatever crumbs he offers. Convincing themselves the wife deserves it, otherwise she's innocent, and what does that say about the ow then?

Or worse, happily enjoying their no-strings arrangement whilst convincing themselves the wife won't find out, or deserves it, or knows and turns a blind eye.

Hurting innocent women and children probably doesn't sit well with their self-image as 'a good person who did a bad thing' or 'a person so in love they can't step away'. Fuck off with your grey areas. There's right and there's wrong. We're not justifying the theft of a loaf of bread.

Mummystar123 · 09/02/2016 17:55

I think ( fwiw) as someone who discovered that I was the OW and stayed for a short while, that it's not as simple as the OW just leaving once you find out your the OW. Much the same as its not easy for the wife to leave her husband when she finds out there is an OW. I was so in love with my MM and pregnant that I didn't feel I could leave him ( I have now btw and he has split with his wife). It's easy to compartmentalise how someone else should, would or could feel but until you have had first had experience you can't possibly know how anyone would, could or should feel. On top of that experiences are subjective, person a and person b could both discover their partners are cheating at the same time, person a leaves him, person b works on their marriage.
Sorry that was a crappy explanation of what I'm trying to say but my point is unless you have been an OW how can you possibly answer this thread, and if your not an OW why do you even care about why someone would become or stay an OW??

dontknowwhatcomesnext · 09/02/2016 18:00

Good post, SongBird.

If I'm trying to be charitable, and one of the reasons I was asking confusion how old she was, is that when I was younger and more smug I think I probably thought that when marriages break down there just really must be a reason or something wrong that was obvious. I mean, isn't the narrative that needs must not be getting met for someone to have an affair? Complete and utter bollocks in many cases as I and others have said on this thread. But once you realise that, then you have to conclude that we are all in a state of enormous vulnerability and being human we like to avoid that state unless we absolutely have to.

My husband was not that guy. He absolutely adored me, I was "the one". I'm not delusional: several of our friends and his mother and sister (!) have told me this too. He seemed to respect me so much more than many other husbands around that I see. We had regular sex, he still seemed reasonably attracted to me, I am a size 8-10 (not that that is even kind of relevant) and we got on. And then he was "that guy" (middle-aged successful guy with 20 years younger mistress, who to top it all off looks exactly like me 20 years ago). To say that it is a complete and utter mindfuck doesn't even begin to describe what it does to you. Like some of you, I don't see how I can ever, ever trust again. He was the ONE guy I ever trusted. I was not naive and inexperienced (I was in my thirties when I got married). I thought I was so lucky and found one of the good ones. I would have told you that he could never have done the things he did. So I can only smile wryly when some on here are so sure of their guy.

Sure, it's a first world problem in the sense that I have a lovely comfortable home, my children are doing well and life has gone on, but it has been the most stressful period of my life, and I have lived life. I have lost a father, a brother to suicide and have a severely alcoholic mother (we're talking George Best/Paul Gascoigne levels here). I know pain. This has still been unutterably awful.

So, yes, of COURSE not all OWs are awful people. They deserve happiness too. I suspect most are just clueless with a strong self-destruct or selfish streak, but the point is that they have done an AWFUL thing. There is nothing, no state of marriage or supposed terribleness of the wife, that makes it OK. It deserves regret and shame and not the slightest bit of smugness, which a few on here are oozing. And then we all move on. What else can we do? Especially those of us left dealing with shit left behind.

dontknowwhatcomesnext · 09/02/2016 18:01

Oh, and yes, of course, my husband has been begging to come back since I threw him out the day I found out. Fucking cliche.

OldestStory · 09/02/2016 18:21

I'm totally agree with you, don'tknow

FuckitAndStartAgain · 09/02/2016 18:25

Some ex wives will do almost anything to make sure their children continue to have a relationship with their father. Even when said father is not always worth them having a relationship with. I bought presents for my husband's (yes, we are still married) new baby with the ow. She had told me seven years before she wanted my husband's baby, she has got what she wanted. She is poisoness, I almost (not quite) feel sorry for my deluded soon to be ex. I feel very sorry for my children and don't want them to doubt he loves them.

The ow is horrible, as is the ex husband and ow in MrsC's narrative. On the other hand, maybe you are as someone has said a good person who has done bad things. Your lack of remorse and belittling of others' experiences doesn't lend weight to that however.

Read your posts, you have been extremely cruel. I hope you don't have children.

tomatoplantproject · 09/02/2016 18:43

There are some utterly amazing women on this thread. And there are some who are just unutterably cruel with their minimising and dismissal of others' pain. "My" OW is just a blank.

I wanted to say something about anger and bitterness. I have been accused of being bitter and I ruminated for a while about it.

I decided that anger and bitterness are actually the same emotion, and that when you are on the receiving end of the heartwrenching pain and devastation that happens when you discover what your "good guy" (yes, I had one of those too) has done, the energy that anger brings with it is vital.

It gets you out of bed. It gets you making decisions which protect you. It allows you to take some control. It says "fuck you" to whoever stands between you doing what needs to be done. I know that without anger I would be a shell of what I have become, I would be rolling over and not fighting for what dd and I need to live our lives for the long term.

Because sure as eggs is eggs, without that anger I'd still be #3 in a relationship, doing the pick me dance, giving away my future, losing more and more and more of myself in the process.

I dare anyone to take my anger away. I need it still. I will continue to need it to make sure I don't ever go back to the man who did what he did to me. And if I am accused of being bitter? Meh.

And for the record I am scrupulous about letting dd see her father and his family and I don't ever badmouth him to her. It doesn't stop me being angry though.

hurtandconfued2016 · 09/02/2016 18:49

as a woman who was left by her partner (32 weeks pregnant and a 2 year old) I confronted my ex and his ow last week and both of them looked at me like I was a piece or rubbish on the floor!
it was awful she looked at me like I meant nothing and that she had done nothing wrong at all!
but then he said that I was emotionally abusive because I asked him to tidy the house and encourage him to join the police!
they both don't think they have done anything wrong!
I have encourage my ex to see our son even still inviting him to the birth of our daughter in 3 weeks but it is no appreciated in any way!
he has basically became this different man like he has went thru a midlife crisis (at the age of 25) wants a care free stress free life!
neither my ex or ow see any of the damage they have done! not just to me but my unborn baby and son! I find it incredibly selfish!

hurtandconfued2016 · 09/02/2016 18:52

tomatoplantproject! I completely agree I am bitter and angry but it has made me concentrate on my kids and what I need to do to protect them!

Christinayangstwistedsista · 09/02/2016 19:07

Tom

Well done Mrs
X

tomatoplantproject · 09/02/2016 19:24

You know what? I'm fine - am now 6 months into my job, dd is doing brilliantly, my family are ace, I am not short of offers to go out and do stuff, my book club is thriving (although enthusiasm beats actual ability of any one of us to set aside enough time to actually read the damn books), and I'm religiously at the yoga studio when I have time. So despite everything I have utter faith dd and I will have a lovely little life.

Doesn't stop me being angry towards him though.

Xx

TheFormidableMrsC · 09/02/2016 19:49

Great news Tom...Flowers

Some lovely, and very very moving, posts here.

hurtandconfused2016, so sorry you are going through this. In my opinion, a woman who has an affair with a man who has a pregnant wife is the lowest of the low. I hope you're getting lots of RL support and legal advice Flowers

stumblymonkey · 09/02/2016 19:58

The original post here was asking why anyone would be an OW. I've answered, I'm not sure what else those of you who aren't OW on the post are seeking to gain from the thread?

As per my original post I appreciate that other people have a different view to mine. I simply don't sign up to the idea that I have a duty to millions of women I've never met to base my life on whether a decision I make might hurt them.

Once I applied for a promotion and got it. A colleague I worked with never spoke to me again because senior management had led her to believe the job was hers. Was I supposed to turn that job down because she was going to be hurt?

No-one at the time expected me to. It was management that made the promise to her, and management that broke the promise by hiring someone else. How is that different?
That's a genuine question btw...I'm not sure how to word it so that it can't be misinterpreted as sounding goady.

I may come across as unempathetic in this thread however I do think it's a bit of a stretch to take a couple of posts on one topic and assume you know the character of someone in RL. However I will say that I am very 'logical' in my thinking rather than 'emotional' so perhaps I am less empathetic than the average person when it comes to affairs of the heart. I don't see that as a flaw though, there are pros and cons of being more logical and pros and cons of being more emotional.

Not all situations involving an OW lead to the kind of impact discussed on this thread. My Mother was (unknowingly) an OW, she broke it off when she found out DSF (stepfather) was married. He left his wife for her. Everything was completely amicable, his wife knew the marriage wasn't working. We had Christmases with DM, DSF, his son, his ex-wife and her new DP. I had at least two holidays with his ex-wife, his son and me.

Obviously some PP have had particularly horrible experiences...FMrsC in particular has a particularly vile specimen of an ex-H and OW...but that doesn't mean those of us who have been OW in the past would act that way.

When I say that I don't believe that being cheated on is the worst problem someone can have in their life it isn't meant to minimise anyone's specific experience on this thread. I mean 'on average'. Of course there are instances where the level of pain is much higher due to any number of circumstances (nothing being wrong with the marriage, EA, being left to take care of SN child on your own, etc,etc)...however this isn't the 'average' in my experience.

I've only been the OW once knowingly and once unknowingly but I've seen a number of other situations from both sides and there have been no children involved, were painful at the time but people tried to be reasonable/civil/amicable after the initial eruption between the MM and his DW and everyone moved on after a year or so. Of course they're still angry at their exH when they think about it but there was no lasting damage (and I'm close friends with some so we would talk about it if there was).

I would also point out that OW are not a 'separate species' of woman that are different to those that haven't been OW. I've got two friends who are divorced following finding out about their exH's cheating...they were obviously upset at the time and perhaps would have even said some of the things said in this thread by wives....only for them to become OW themselves a few years later.

tomatoplantproject · 09/02/2016 20:03

Thank you, darling MrsC. So many of you got me through those very dark days.

There are so many of those lowlifes out there. I wouldn't wish what we have gone through on anyone. I can't comprehend what it must be like doing it pregnant too. Hats off to you hurt.** I don't know how you can find the strength to allow him in the delivery room with you. Please protect yourself and surround yourself with people who you know have your back xx

Christinayangstwistedsista · 09/02/2016 20:10

There is something fundamentally flawed about a person who wants to pursue a relationship with someone who is already in one

dontknowwhatcomesnext · 09/02/2016 20:14

To be honest, stumbly, if you can't see a difference between competing in good faith for a position at work and knowingly (not a single person on here is condemning an unknowing OW) becoming involved in a deception that potentially destroys a marriage and particularly a family, I'm not sure there's anything anyone can say to you. No one thinks you're a separate species, but, yes, if you genuinely feel no remorse for your actions and the people you hurt, I will say that you are not a very nice person. But I'm pretty sure you don't care what I or anyone else thinks.

tomatoplantproject · 09/02/2016 20:16

OMG stumbly do you have no imagination? Do you not get the bit about families being torn apart? About knowingly inflicting pain?

The pain I experienced was very similar to that of losing a very close relative. I wouldn't knowingly inflict that on anyone, whether I knew them or not. As an OW with the full knowledge he was married then yes you have inflicted that damage on a stranger. I certainly am a bit more thoughtful about others' feelings. Its called having moral fibre.

Totally different to a work situation. For instance work doesn't actually promise to forsake all others for a start. Its a business transaction - and keeps going whilst mutually beneficial to both parties. I'm sorry your friend had set her heart on a job but its not the same as your whole life and future being ripped to shreds.

stumblymonkey · 09/02/2016 20:16

Christina...I would argue that there's something fundamentally flawed with each and every single human being. No one is perfect....everyone hurts someone at some point and everyone makes mistakes, has different moral codes and does things that other people don't agree with at some point in their lives.

MrsFring · 09/02/2016 20:20

Stumbley, I would say that you sound like a text-book example of a sociopath.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 09/02/2016 20:21

Of course you would argue that, anything to justify your skewed moral code and capacity to hurt.....comparing being an ow to someone not getting g a job really confirms my very low opinion of your type

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