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My friend has been really rude to my DS

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Greedylittlehamster · 25/01/2016 10:27

My DS (17) owed his friend (18) £10 from several months ago and had forgotten to pay it back. His friend had reminded him once a few weeks ago by text and DS said that his friend could drop round sometime and get the money. DS was hoping to see the friend and spend some time with him if he dropped by as they haven't seen each other in ages. My DS clearly wasn't viewing the problem as important as he says him and all his friends always borrow money off each other and it all evens out in the end as they buy things for each other.

DS's friend's mum is one of my friends and we meet up each week with other friends as a group. She had reminded me a couple of times that my DS owed her DS money and I had reminded my DS and told him to prioritise paying him back as it was obviously a concern. Thinking back I should have just given her the money but I felt my DS should take responsibility.

A couple of days ago, I was out and my DS was in the house on his own in the shower and he heard a very loud hammering on the front door. It must have been loud as he was in the shower at the other end of the house with music blaring out. He ignored it as he was in the shower and then he heard the house phone ringing and ringing so he got out of the shower and answered it. It was my friend at the door. She demanded that he get dried and dressed and come to the door and pay her DS back the money even though it would mean he would not have breakfast and may be late for work. Once he was downstairs and opened the door she really laid into him saying it was a disgusting way to treat his friend and how unacceptably he had behaved and accused him of getting back in the shower and leaving her waiting. She ranted on for a bit. DS did not have the money in the house so she made him get in her car and she drove him to the cash point. Both of her DS's were also in the car watching all of this. DS then had to drive 45 minutes to work and do an 8 hour shift having eaten nothing until his break much later. DS was very upset about the whole thing but kept his temper in front of her.

DS was in the wrong for not repaying the money and he admits that and I hope has learnt a lesson but I feel my friend's reaction was very over the top. If my DS owed someone £10 at 18 years old, I would not get involved. My son (17) has been very shaken by her aggressive manner and I will now have to meet her later in the week and am worried what I say to her and if I should stick up for my son even though he should have paid the money back in the first place. She is bound to say something when we meet as she is likely to feel pleased with herself. She also upset one of the other friends in our group before Christmas when she phoned my friend and told her off for her DS not contacting her DS regularly and how bad it was after all her family had done for my other friend. My other friend was very upset about this as it was the second time that it had happened and her DS is feeling forced into a friendship with the other young man by the actions of his mother.

I don't want to upset my friendship group but I do feel she is overstepping the mark.

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VoldysGoneMouldy · 25/01/2016 12:20

She behaved in an awful manner. You don't intimidate a teenager because you're pissed off. It wasn't her place to get involved, and certainly not in the way she did.

Fuck having a reasonable discussion with this woman. Tell her to stay the fuck away from your son.

LaContessaDiPlump · 25/01/2016 12:21

My son would have to have done something a hell of a lot worse than being rubbish at paying a debt before I'd be ok with him being yelled at and frogmarched out of his home. Who the hell does she think she is?

I can only imagine what she was like with tiffs in the playground.

BishopBrennansArse · 25/01/2016 12:21

I'd be asking her fairly directly why she is so over invested in her adult child's life. I'd tell her I appreciate her son's frustration and if in his situation would share it, but that your son is an adult and therefore his actions aren't your responsibility, as her own adult son's life is none of her concern.

That because of that her actions in forcing your son to go to the cashpoint were entirely inappropriate. That her own adult son should have dealt with this himself.

MorrisZapp · 25/01/2016 12:22

I don't have teens but I have witnessed countless exchanges between my nephews / nieces and their parents like this:

Mum: 'would you mind tidying up your room a bit love? Oh and here are your clean socks, if you could take them now that would be great'

Teen: 'OH MY GOD MUM CAN YOU GET OFF MY BACK FOR ONE MINUTE, STOP RANTING AT ME ALL THE TIME' etc etc.

I'd love to hear the other lady's description of the morning she forced your son to the cashpoint.

StrictlyMumDancing · 25/01/2016 12:24

TBH I can see your son's point about you trying to save face for the sake of friendship rather than standing up for him.

He acknowledged to his friend he'd forgotten the debt and arranged for friend to pop round an pick it up. His friend doesn't have appeared to have either come round for it nor has he asked if your DS could bring it to him/meet somewhere mutual. When friend's mum started mentioning it to you, you could have stood up for your DS and said 'your DS has agreed to meeting up with my DS for the money, let them sort it out'. But instead you've gone home and reminded him that he owes it without having pointed that out.

You can easily do some fact finding without asking your friend for her version. A neighbour would surely have heard banging that loudly. Even if only some of it it true, your friend was out of order massively and you seem to want to be not rocking the friendship boat more than you do stand up to her.

Your DS is only 17, subtleties of friendship are something he will still have to learn, but to him I can see why he feels let down.

Its not your job to not rock the group, she appears to have done that herself and not just with your DS.

Greedylittlehamster · 25/01/2016 12:24

Thank you for all your advise so far. I agree that I really don't know what is going on at their end to have fuelled this and I have talked to DS about his attitude to paying people back. I've also told him never to borrow money off this particular friend. This all blew up for me at 10pm last night when I got back from a weekend away so I haven't had much chance to talk to him fully before bedtime. The actual "loan" seemed a bit dodgy anyway. It appears that 3 of them got a taxi that cost £10 in total. DS's friend paid the £10 but it seems that my DS owes him the full £10 for the taxi even though there were 3 in the taxi...they had probably all had a drink so DS can't remember why the full fare is his to pay.

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CozyLinusBlanket · 25/01/2016 12:26

I wouldn't be asking her anything. I'd just blank her from now on. Or tell her to fuck off and then blank her. She sounds like a drama merchant, and the best thing to do is starve her of the opportunity to go to everyone with 'And THEN she said...'

Her relationship with her son is her business. Just don't let her waltz off with your friendship group, especially as it sounds like they don't like her anyway. Get your argument across now before she batters them into submission.

shazzarooney99 · 25/01/2016 12:26

If your son had given themoney back this would not have happened.

CozyLinusBlanket · 25/01/2016 12:27

So he actually owed £3.33. Your 'friend' has basically mugged your son.

CozyLinusBlanket · 25/01/2016 12:27

Take it as a blessing. You now get to lose a cunt from your life.

tomatodizzy · 25/01/2016 12:28

This was a complete over reaction. If it were my son though I would be very ashamed of his behaviour, I wouldn't let him know that I thought it was an over reaction and would say "I hope you have learned a valuable lesson from this, next time make paying people back your priority".

StayWithMe · 25/01/2016 12:29

What a fucker. I'd tear her a new hole if she spoke to any of my kids like that! Angry There is no way on earth I would have anything to do with her after this, though I would be tempted to go to the meeting, just to let everyone else know what happened. I'm sure your other friend would support you.

I have always stayed out of my boys' disagreements with friends, but if a parent became involved I'd tell them to wise the fuck up. I feel so, so sorry for her son. He must be mortified and he's going yo lose friends because if her.

3luckystars · 25/01/2016 12:29

She is not your friend

If it was me I would think it was a cheap lesson for £10 to get that lunatic out of my life forever and be grateful for that.

I would DELETE her completely and never think about her again, and would give my son a big hug for opening my eyes.

StayWithMe · 25/01/2016 12:32

panics, looking for edit button to correct all the embarrassing mistakes Blush

Lindt70Percent · 25/01/2016 12:33

My friend's DD (24) borrowed £10 from my DD (12) about 9 months ago. I wonder if I should do the same thing ...

NNalreadyinuse · 25/01/2016 12:33

'Very ashamed of his behaviour' tomato? He hasn't mugged an old lady in the street! He has been slow to pay back a friend, when they all have a history of borrowing from each other( and it evens out in the end) and it turns out 3 of them shared a taxi so the full cost probably isn't her ds's in the first place.

StuffEverywhere · 25/01/2016 12:35

I wouldn't bother with her version either. It'd be appropriate if you were looking to re-establish friendship, but I don't think that's on the cards.

VoldysGoneMouldy · 25/01/2016 12:36

So he actually owes £3.33?

Call this woman and tear her a new one.

StuffEverywhere · 25/01/2016 12:37

MorrisZapp - every teenager knows this only works with parents.

Greedylittlehamster · 25/01/2016 12:40

I've done a mixture of that. I've said that the situation occurred because of him not paying his debts but it was hard not to agree that it was an overreaction. I also don't want him thinking that it is acceptable behaviour in life to do what she did. I will go round to the neighbours later and ask them if they saw anything. I am going to ask her what happened too. It is possible that she started banging softly on the door and banged harder as she didn't get a reaction and he heard her as it got louder over his music and shower. There were 2 cars on the drive as I had left my car behind for the weekend so she probably realised that he was in and wanted him to hear. Regardless, his account of how she spoke to him was unacceptable. I'll have to see what her account is. She sent a text to him about a year ago complaining to him that he was not contacting her son enough and I saw the way that that was written. I can't remember exactly what she said but it was "telling him off". He dealt with the text very maturely and replied to her calmly, and we agreed that I wouldn't get involved. He was annoyed because he had been contacting his friend but his friend was not replying and it was non of her business anyway.

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ClarkL · 25/01/2016 12:40

I don't think this is a case of your son is in the wrong and has learnt a lesson - that really isn't the point.
This woman has acted in a manner that is completely out of order and you are not planning on sticking up and supporting him. He was at home and bullied by her, he should not have to explain how she made him feel. Being 17 doesn't mean he doesn't need you by his side.
Stick up for him and show him he is more important than some physco woman and your group of friends.

EveryLittleThing · 25/01/2016 12:44

You do not need to be upset about breaking up the friendship group. She is in no way someone you should consider as friend and the others in the group will probably feel grateful\relieved not to have her in the group anymore.

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VoldysGoneMouldy · 25/01/2016 12:44

So this isn't the first time she has bullied and harassed your son?

You need to make it clear to her not to contact him any more, or you will be contacting the police regarding harassment of a minor.

I had the mother of a 'friend' do things like this to me when I was in my teens. Resulted in her screaming in my face that if I loved my family at all I would disappear forever, and me having anxiety so severe I didn't leave the house for weeks.

This dickhead sounds just as unstable.

Greedylittlehamster · 25/01/2016 12:46

I'm not 100% sure it is only £3.33 but it does seem odd that the whole bill seemed to fall to him. Perhaps he owed him for a drink and they agreed he paid the fare but he's unclear as it was so long ago. His memory was it was for the taxi fare but when he said there were 3 in the taxi I pointed out that that was an extremely expensive taxi. He then told me the fare was £10 in total and not just his share. So I really don't know and I'm not sure we'll ever work that out. If it was the case then maybe she should frog march the other boy from the taxi to the cashpoint too!

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LaContessaDiPlump · 25/01/2016 12:48

I'd go up to her in the meeting first off and say 'I heard about the incident at the weekend and I am unhappy about the way you spoke to my son. The boys need to sort out their own disputes; we should not be getting involved ourselves. I'm not interested in dissecting it with you now but suffice to say that if you come over to my house and behave like that again then I will be calling the police, as that level of over-reaction is unacceptable.'

Then leave her fuming. Stay for the meeting and let her fume at you, if you're feeling brave!

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