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nmakk · 22/01/2016 10:02

Hi,sw visited me and my children after a domestic incident to have a chat,he was happy with my children and advised I did the freedom programme and said he'd speak to his manager to confirm if the children could see their dad supervised by their grandad.He spoke on the phone to their dad to "see what his attitude was" he said he was happy foe the contact to go ahead and that the conversation went well and he'd told him he'd arranged private therapy as he takes responsibility for his part of our problem.I've heard nothing since and their dad is on bail until the end of the month I'm wondering what happens now? Like should I expect a report should I ask for one?(I'm scared to call to check incase it's seen as bad on me) or will they not do a report until after he's been to court and will the court determine if the supervision is to continue or will sw do a report based on the outcome? I started the freedom programme and it's amazing things o never clocked as anything I am now but it's shown me I do have a good man who doesn't abuse me although we have both been horrid were definitely not abusing each other and we can work through this.please helpConfused

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 23/01/2016 23:36

I'm not going to answer the SS question as that's been done.

I am going to ask you to consider what you are doing to your children.

Alarm bells ringing all over the place as you justify your desires by letting your children decide what happens next. Using them to say that's what they want, it must be the best thing...

I also have questions over the two adults and their roles. But only you can answer that and you want to be the bad guy? So, hey, it's 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other? And after all, it's not that bad right? Just a, err, 'scuffle', just two grown adults fighting... In front of their children. Nothing really happened right? So normal, everyone has relationship problems right?

Ok so, you're an abuser like him, that's fine. Both of you do this. Both of you stop. You can't control him so stop yourself.

You need to stop your violence and out of control behavior.

He needs to stop his violence and out of control behavior.

Then see if you can actually live like that, without the screaming arguments where you so completely lose any self control that you're not sure what damage you did to him. And be a bit confused about why there is a shoe print on your face. What world do you live in that that is ok? Or just a bit rubbish, but fine if you say sorry? Everybody does it... Right?

When you accept that there is NO excuse for behaving like that and there is NO way you can be a good parent and behave in that way. There's no excuse for this, this is not a one off or a mistake that can be explained away. Maybe then you can start being a good parent.

It's like this. A violent parent can never be a good parent. A nonviolent parent may or may not be a good parent. Not hitting isn't a definition of good parenting, it's a minimum entry requirement.

This violence is terrifying. And terror is the gift that keeps on giving, in families. Kids are amazing actors. And they know how to smile and hug and forgive whilst inside their heads, a bit of them freezes. And makes up its own reasons and ways to make this ok in their brains. And it hurts them, long after the incident itself.

You can choose whether or not to stay in a relationship, and in a wider social network where prison sentences can be explained away as just what happens. Or it was X or Y or Z and it's fine because blah blah blah...

Your children cannot choose. And you are not being truthful when you pretend they can.

Kids need the ones they love to do their jobs as adults. To protect and keep them from harm. To help them learn and understand the way the world works. To show them love and safety. When the scariest thing in their world happens in their house, by their mum and dad, something awful happens. They are begging for mummy and daddy to come home? You hear, your children need you both and hey, if they seem to care so much that you both are here, then they must know best... But kids don't know best. What they do know is mummy and daddy are the adults they need to survive. And that overrides everything. Especially when they are scared and damaged. In a really sad way they are begging for mum and dad to come save them from... Mum and dad.

So, you force them to grow up in a home where mummy and daddy beat the living shit out of each other, oh but it only happens 1 time, 2 times, 3 times, only once a year (so, 16 times before a child escapes and recreates it all themselves), or maybe twice a year, just at Christmas, just when we're stressed just when he said, she said, he wound me up, she started it, it's ok, the kids understand... It's nothing really.

Can you imagine your children looking at you with disgust and judgement. Parents protect and save children. Mine decided their own desires and pretenses were more important than their children.

And they know what you did. They look into your eyes and they know.

You decided to carry on when you and dad hurt each other, screaming and kicking and thumping and hauling each other around the room. Kids scared. Furniture falling? Adults falling. Scared.

It's at dinner time? Kids keeping their heads down, don't look at mummy, don't look at daddy, I'll make it happen more, it's our fault, it's my fault., I'll eat look, we're eating, smiling, joking... nothing's wrong, if we pretend it's ok then mummy and daddy will stop, if I eat my dinner, mummy and daddy will stop, if I smile and say i love you, we need you, don't go it's ok, come back... They truly believe mummy and daddy will stop if the kids just smile enough, show they understand enough, show they don't care about anything, it's all ok, don't leave us, we need you... And do they stop? Do they hell.

In that moment: Don't care about the kids, don't give a shit they're here, too angry, too into yourself, too into hurting the man you 'love' most in the world... Too into hurting the woman you love most in the world. Hit, kick, pull, shove, scream, shout, slam, scratch, hurt hurt hurt, hurt that fucker...

And so kids become the grown ups. This happens really early on. Kids know what they need to do to keep mummy and daddy happy. Kids try and be the grown ups, cos the grown ups, they're sure as hell not being the grown ups.

Please don't do what your kids SAY they want. Do what your kids need. Please don't ever justify your decisions as just doing what your kids are asking for. This is kids being the grown ups. And the grown ups using the kids to justify themselves.

Sallystyle · 23/01/2016 23:55

Just leave him.

Be a good mother to your children. They deserve to have the rest of their childhood not living in fear, although so much damage has already been done.

You need to grow up, take a good look at yourself and put your children first. Stop trying to convince yourself this is ok and you can work through it; you can't.

Miscellaneous post is especially good. Made me cry but she is spot on.

Atenco · 24/01/2016 00:52

"Miscellaneous post is especially good. Made me cry but she is spot on"

So sad and so true.

nmakk · 24/01/2016 01:07

I have done and fully intend to continue doing so,I'm not oblivious I'm doing what I need to I'm just not going to act the victim and bleat on about how badly abused I've been bcz it's just not true,thanks to all for taking the time to respond.

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eleanoralice1 · 24/01/2016 01:37

Your poor children. They had to call the police? Sounds absolutely awful.

Put your children first. This is just insane.

Peevedquitter · 24/01/2016 02:05

What worries me is because you think you have personally gone through some huge period of self enlightenment and can in your mind see and understand it means that you think you know how to act in this situation. I actually think you don't have a clue as to what is correct behaviour.

You are both victim and perpetrator.

differentnameforthis · 24/01/2016 04:21

Please read on to the end bcz your advice can only be half helpful if you only tale note of half a story

I read all the way to the end & the upshot is this...your daughter has witnessed violence between you & her father. That IS NOT a healthy place for a child to be...she called the cops for goodness sake!! She was THAT SCARED, she reached for the phone & called the cops. Do you know how terrified she must have been? Because there is NOTHING in your posts that see this from her POV, at all! It all "me me me"

If my relationship did that to my daughters...there is NO WAY I'd be part of that relationship.

My oldest is scared of him not coming back Your eldest is scared of everything! of course the kids want him home, they don't know that violence isn't normal! They wouldn't' want him home if they knew that married couple really don't all fight.

You were fighting around your child, what if they witnessed a serious assault? What if one of you threw something & it hit them?

If he can't come home they and I will be devastated I want it to be a family learning curve so our daughters and our son know exactly what is and isn't acceptable not merely walk away So you want your daughter's to know that they can't walk away from violence, and your son to know that they are allowed to be violent? So you are possibly raising future victims & a future perpetrator? Just to prove to yourself that you have a 'good man'

Stop bringing the kids into it. This relationship is poison. No don't stop bringing the kids into it...it is important that she remembers that the kids will see this violence & think it is normal...the kids very much need to be part of the op's choice, just not in the way that she is already doing (justifying bringing her violent dh home because the kids miss him)

OP, what is your dh doing about his violence? Aside from having been arrested?

differentnameforthis · 24/01/2016 05:11

The good doesn't outweigh the bad though does it? ... Seriously. I don't think you will gain anything from the freedom programme because you minimise everything. Your kids may end up in care. Put them first.

This!

I went in there scared to death I'd find him being exactly as the abuser was described am I to ignore the fact I didn't n it made me realise we need help not separation This is worrying op. You don't think your dh is an abuser.

Yet he is on bail for a "scuffle" that left your dd on the phone to police & you with a burn on your face.

^ that incident saw you end up at the hospital

This isn't the first time this has happened.

He shoves and slaps you (and you him)

he is on supervised contact with your kids (that doesn't come about for no reason, op!)

infact what it showed me was my first partner was abusing me to the point of attempted rape (which I left him for) but he was showing all the signs n back then THIS snippet is very important. You have been abused before. And now, just because what you are living is not as BAD as it was the first, you don't see it as abuse. Well it is. Shoving, slapping, burning your face (however it happened), you ending up in hospital because of what he did = abuse op. I know that you don't want to be a victim again, but you are. It doesn't always follow a neat little pattern, or a checklist. As soon as he lays hands on you, it's abuse.

differentnameforthis · 24/01/2016 05:11

So op, how did you get a rubber burn on your face? The police alluded to it looking like the print of a shoe. You said scuffle, but you also said you have no idea what happened, because it happened so quickly. Can you explain how you got what looks like a shoe print burn on our face?

SassyPasty your post = Fri 22-Jan-16 17:06:24 Spot on!

OP, what would have happened if your daughter hadn't contacted the police that night? Because that is the only thing that stopped this violent outburst. And I wouldn't call you a volatile couple. I'd call you a violent couple.

From what you have said about YOU not being abused here, it sounds like your hitting out at your dh's violence is "proof" to yourself that you are not abused. You are VERY focused on not being abused, and so determined not to be abused again, that you have taken to fighting too, which has lead to you becoming a violent couple. You ARE being abused, you are now now just abusing back.

Do you get violent if he doesn't? Or is your violence always in retaliation to his?

that's a res flag that I've always have if you can hurt an animal anything goes. Sod animals, he has been violent to YOU!!! Van you not see how her thinks "anything goes" because of this!!! But because he is nice to animals, there's no problem??

differentnameforthis · 24/01/2016 05:15

Can you not see how he thinks "anything goes" because of this!!! But because he is nice to animals, there's no problem??

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