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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

424 replies

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
NotNowBono · 20/01/2016 19:07

i think, sadly, the reason most people would suggest telling the truth to your husband is not only to give him the dignity of the truth (which he may well suspect anyway) but to introduce a sobering dose of reality to your carefully burnished tale of star-crossed lobsters. The look on his face may well take the shine off the romance.

You say you can see what a shit your boyfriend is when you write it all down but you're writing it down in a very careful way, you know. The problem is that other posters aren't.

JeNeSaisQoui · 20/01/2016 19:08

SongBird16 Wed 20-Jan-16 18:10:22

'My DH told his ow he wasn't sleeping with me and that we slept in separate rooms. He used to stay up later than me to message her, send her a photo of himself in the spare bedroom, then come and snuggle up with me. It was all lies. He tells me that it was because she wouldn't continue the relationship unless he convinced her his marriage was over already'

Song I think it's great you've posted that (agonisingly shitty for you) reality to help OP wake up.

  1. How did you find out about the affair; and 2) at that point, did he then 'choose' you (I'm guessing yes given you refer to him as DH in the here & now)

I think the answer to those 2 questions would further help OP grasp some kind of reality here, & I think it's bloody kind of you to have done so via your post aboveFlowers

wotoodoo · 20/01/2016 19:09

I really feel you need to think of your child first because you are sensitive about the fact we don't think you are putting her needs first.

You are a mess you say. Well, for your daughter's sake do you think you could get counselling, do the freedom programme and ring women's aid for advice before you make any further decisions regarding a man that could be in her life?

What sort of role model are you to her op? Do you not think sorting out your emotional health is important so that you can make balanced desisions that will ultimately affect her?

What sort of role model will he be for your daughter op? Is he kind, caring, loving, thoughtful, faithful and honest? The attributes you would hope she will one day choose for her future partner?

Or will her life mirror yours because you have introduced her to a very poor roe model of a man?

Her life is literally in your hands. If I had a baby daughter I would be running to the hills before even contemplating a lying cheating role model to come into her life.

Honestly op, what is the matter with you that you are seriously contemplating repeating the chance of further hurt and pain in your life, and your daughter's too?

You are not thinking about your child at all and you are in denial if you don't think your mental health will impact on her. I feel so sorry for your poor daughter. You owe it to her to get the help you need to get your life out of the spiral of lurching from one mess to the other.

wotoodoo · 20/01/2016 19:09

I really feel you need to think of your child first because you are sensitive about the fact we don't think you are putting her needs first.

You are a mess you say. Well, for your daughter's sake do you think you could get counselling, do the freedom programme and ring women's aid for advice before you make any further decisions regarding a man that could be in her life?

What sort of role model are you to her op? Do you not think sorting out your emotional health is important so that you can make balanced desisions that will ultimately affect her?

What sort of role model will he be for your daughter op? Is he kind, caring, loving, thoughtful, faithful and honest? The attributes you would hope she will one day choose for her future partner?

Or will her life mirror yours because you have introduced her to a very poor roe model of a man?

Her life is literally in your hands. If I had a baby daughter I would be running to the hills before even contemplating a lying cheating role model to come into her life.

Honestly op, what is the matter with you that you are seriously contemplating repeating the chance of further hurt and pain in your life, and your daughter's too?

You are not thinking about your child at all and you are in denial if you don't think your mental health will impact on her. I feel so sorry for your poor daughter. You owe it to her to get the help you need to get your life out of the spiral of lurching from one mess to the other.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:09

Thank you DoJo. You are absolutely right. And that's what I will be doing. Her wee world is about to be turned on its head and I'm here bleating on like a love sick kid. I need to get a big grip, pretty quick. I know this. I am trying, I promise. I posted here today to try to just get it all out. Because it's been festering and affecting everything in my life. And that's not hystrionics or dramatics, that is fact. I've been demented. I have nobody I can talk to. That is why I'm here. And it's helping me. I know some of you wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire, let alone want to help me, but the vast, vast majority are helping, trust me. I'm going to get there, I know it.

OP posts:
ricketytickety · 20/01/2016 19:10

I don't think you should tell your ex about him either. It will just cause him pain.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:10

I guess telling your dh would be the first step in holding a mirror up to yourself, to face the consequences of your decisions and the choices you make and to start taking g accountability for your " i deserve" attitude

NanaNina · 20/01/2016 19:12

I think you've probably heard enough OP. I think there are 2 posts that are non judgemental (mine and a poster whose name I forget but she talked about a man in the background of her life for 25 years and they are now together and happy. You've been called all sorts of thoroughly unpleasant names and people are SO sure that the know what will happen - they must have crystal balls. I'm not sure how you can be helped by this thread but I might be wrong.

I wish you well whatever the future holds for you.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 19:14

a man in the background of her life for 25 years and they are now together and happy.

They have 'been together and happy' since 2015.... less than a few months then.

Hardly testament to anything

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:14

Why can't you talk to your friends?

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:14

Sorry, I'm probably not allowed to laugh, but "star-crossed lobsters" made me. Brava Bono.

I will not be telling my stbxh anything. You can dress it up any way you want, but the only reason any of you think I should is that you'd like to see me get what you think I deserve. Hatred, disgust etc, etc. Now, firstly, I have some of you guys to do that for me and secondly, how exactly is that promoting a smooth transition for my wee girl?

OP posts:
Shutthatdoor · 20/01/2016 19:17

I can honestly say, no good would come of telling him about me having sex with someone else.

Well as you appear not to have a relationship with honesty I'm not suprised you don't want to tell him you've cheated on him.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:17

Thanks NanaNina. I feel a sleepless night coming on, but it's all good. Well, not good, but it's what I needed to hear in a lot of ways.

I can't talk to my friends because it's a shameful, shocking situation and they'd think I was everything I've been called here today probably. Honestly, if you knew me, you'd be shocked too. I'm not this person. I don't know how I've become this person.

OP posts:
Nottodaythankyouorever · 20/01/2016 19:19

I will not be telling my stbxh anything

He will find out, one way or another.

Hope you are ready for the fall out.

Don't kid yourself it is your DD you are protecting from the hurt if he does it is you.

JeNeSaisQoui · 20/01/2016 19:22

Oi, NanaNina - fuck right off with your biggest pair of judgey pants I've ever seen on hereShock

Who are you to de facto label my posts (or others) as 'judgemental' when they're anything but. Seriously, where d'you get off on you determining which posts are judgemental and which are non-judgemental? Are you some kind of one woman MN Jury?Confused

I find it odd that the sole 2 you describe as 'non-judgemental' are your own and the other one where there was a 'positive' outcome for the OW - if you think that is any kind of neutral stance then you must be smoking something special tonightHmm

51howdidthathappen · 20/01/2016 19:22

If you do get back together with this ex, I imagine your stbxh will work it out.
You need to start being truthful with everyone, including yourself.

NotNowBono · 20/01/2016 19:24

No, I think you're wrong about that - about others wanting to see you dunked on some kind of virtual ducking stool. I honestly don't give a toss. But you requested a 'big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee' (please, enough with the Cosmotising, Polly Filler) and that's exactly what seems to be missing from your posts. You want to slide through all this without really acknowledging the impact it has on others. How do you feel when you play the 'telling your husband' scene in your head? You can't control that; you can't put words in his mouth the way you write and write and write your emotions down here until they look acceptable. You don't want to tell your friends. You don't want to be the person you actually are.

Stop writing. Stop constructing romantic 6-month reunions in your head. Start living your actual life, because your daughter is a real person, you are a real person, and there is a REAL PERSON out there - not this idiot lobster waster - who can make you happy, if you're honest with him and yourself.

OR, write this book in your 'six month break' if you're not already. See how it ends. Then see if it makes any emotional sense at all, or if you're subconsciously urging your heroine to get her brain in gear.

Fontella · 20/01/2016 19:24

I will not be telling my stbxh anything. You can dress it up any way you want, but the only reason any of you think I should is that you'd like to see me get what you think I deserve. Hatred, disgust etc, etc. Now, firstly, I have some of you guys to do that for me and secondly, how exactly is that promoting a smooth transition for my wee girl?

Your moral compass is completely skewed OP, and you just can't see it.

And after telling everyone to 'keep your daughter out of it' you are perfectly happy to bring her into it, when it's suits your self justifying agenda.

Your husband deserves the truth. You have cheated on him and lied to him, as the object of your affections has cheated on, and lied to every woman he's had a relationship with, including you. This kind of behaviour has almost become your 'normal'.

Wristy · 20/01/2016 19:26

Nana, there have been quite a few non judgemental posts. There have only been two (the ones you have highlighted) that encourage the OP to waste even more of her precious life on a man who says one thing yet does another.

Has he had any counselling OP? To address his behaviours?

SoConfused15 · 20/01/2016 19:27

Honestly OP you would have done better to put your hand in a blender then post here.

Please get some real life advice before you do anything. ESPECIALLY before considering telling your ex/partner. Seriously. The keyboard warriors here won't have to take the flak you will.

I posted what I thought may be some constructive advice earlier but it's been drowned out by the judgmental crowd.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 20/01/2016 19:27

Limerence is fucking awful, with that I can agree.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:28

I am, hand on broken heart, trying very, very hard to get my brain in gear. I really am. That's why I'm here. And no, I'm not all of a suddenly awake and ready to just let it all go, but I am getting there. I really am. I just want to be happy. This isn't doing it for me, I know that. I really know that. I'm miserable. And yes this is all about me, because, here and now and in this moment, it is all about me and what I'm going to do... Ah fuck, I dunno. I know I sound like a chic lit wannabe sometimes, but I don't know how to express myself any other way.

OP posts:
Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:36

Does it not tell you something g when you can't have an honest conversation with your friends about this?

You say that " you are not that person" but you are and not just once but twice. I honestly don't want you to get your comeuppance, the reason I mentioned telling g your husband was in fact for your sake as I this you need to start facing up to the reality of your situation and seek g the pain your choices have caused a lot of people, including yourself

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:37

SoConfused, thanks. I have missed so much here. I'm gonna take some time later and read it all properly.

OP posts:
Jux · 20/01/2016 19:38

Under these specific circumstances, nananina, I am quite happy to be very, very judgemental.

As a book, it is trash and badly written trash.

As reality, well, I've already said what I think of that. Self-indulgent twaddle. No insight, no sense of truth.

OP, you're right not to tell your friends; I wouldn't risk letting people I live and trust just how untrustworthy and selfish I was if I were you.