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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

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AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

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NotNowBono · 20/01/2016 19:39

another you're clearly a really bright, really articulate woman who is, I'm sure, extremely nice in real life. But you've talked yourself into a very wobbly reality, because you're eloquent enough to make it seem plausible. Are you a lawyer?! Do yourself a favour and step outside it for long enough to see this bloke for what he really is. Would you be happy for your daughter to hitch her life to a man like that, for nearly 20 years?

You're 40. You've got another half a lifetime ahead of you. There's still time to find someone way, way better than this man. Just because you've sunk those years into dangling on his string doesn't mean you have to invest more.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:39

I think, although some may disagree, that thanks to the 225 messages here that I'm facing up the reality Christina. I just really, really don't get the point of telling my stbxh any of this. I really don't. It'll hurt him, why would I want to do that when it's already over and it's amicable. And some of you say he'll find out anyway, I don't think he will.

Yeah, I am that person, you're right. Why though. That's the question. All this over a lobster...

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LovelyFriend · 20/01/2016 19:40

What kind of guy can say he loves you and wants to be with you, but in the meantime he's going to stay in this other relationship, in case you don't pick him?

a really shitty guy, that is who.

Come on OP!! WAKE UP!

LovelyFriend · 20/01/2016 19:41

he's really not your "lobster" ....

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:41

Personally I prefer scallops

Fontella · 20/01/2016 19:41

The keyboard warriors here won't have to take the flak you will.

No - because the keyboard warriors here haven't been shagging a former affair partner behind their 'lovely, kind' responsible' husband's back.

The OP writes:

I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM.

She's lying to him because it suits her agenda. She admits it's amicable because he doesn't know the truth. This 'lovely, kind responsible' man who is just another bit of collateral damage in the lives of the star crossed lobsters.

But it's the OP we are supposed to be concerned about, and the possibility that she might get some (well deserved) flak?

MadisonMontgomery · 20/01/2016 19:42

You will either be the other woman, or he will have another woman. If you can deal with this, fine, go for it. Otherwise you need to run & never look back.

Fourormore · 20/01/2016 19:42

I wouldn't tell your ex. You get the benefit of "being honest" and he gets what? The devastating upset of having been cheated on. No, living with the guilt is your punishment.

If you get with this man, you need to seriously think about the impact on your daughter. We learn from our parents, what are you teaching her here? That you tear up a family for a crush?

And that's what this is. I'm sorry but this is not love. It's still infatuation. Love isn't heart racing, it is calm. It isn't desperate. It isn't needing to be with someone. It is putting the other person first.

Honestly, I think you would greatly benefit from some psychotherapy. There are some definite unhealthy pattern here. You don't want this man. You want what you think he can give you which is actually just your imagination. I imagine what you really want is a happy, healthy relationship with a good sex life.

It's the boring option but it's the right one. If this is meant to be then it will happen but I think you need to think about the impact on your daughter very carefully.

bleedingheart · 20/01/2016 19:45

Posters urging you to tell your STBXH aren't trying to ensure you are treated badly by him or get 'your comeuppance.' Don't mistake brusque common sense or advice for hatred. Don't make a drama out of it.
People have mostly been quite fair, telling you it is a bad idea isn't treating you badly, it's trying to protect you from further mistakes.
Anyone confessing to serial adultery is likely to get a tough time on here, you know that.
You sound like a love struck teenager, if you still can't see why he would lie to you then he can play you like a fiddle and you are at risk again but it's not just you this time, you don't want your daughter to suffer but she will if you do.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:46

So this man carries on with his life thinking he has messed up his marriage when in reality it was never going to work because his wife wanted to shag a lobster???

Gobbolino6 · 20/01/2016 19:46

I haven't read the full thread, just your original post.

OP, I don't actually have the slightest bit of judgement for you at all. I understand how this has all happened.

But, and this is important, from your OP I AM 99% SURE THIS MAN IS LYING TO YOU.

He's full of excuses. I do not believe for one millisecond that his partner and he are in separate bedrooms. I do not see any evidence that he has changed. If he had, he would move out before starting something new. And frankly, if you were thinking clearly, you would have too.

Cut this man off. Now. If you don't, a few months down the line you will be at rock bottom again. Learn to be single, get counselling, and eventually you will meet someone who is attractive to you sexually AND a good person. For that to happen, you need to work on your own self-esteem and you need to do that alone.

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AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:49

I think, Fontella, I'm getting plenty of flak. Virtually from you and from myself. I don't know if you're missing posts or misunderstanding things but my marriage was dead, done, over, finished a long time before I slept with the OM. He was a symptom.

Bono, yeah, I think I've been living in a fantasy in a lot of ways. I have loved this man for so many years. Or thought I did anyway. I really thought we had a chance to be together. The way I've gone about things has been atrocious, I know that. For it all to be an illusion and a fantasy makes it even worse. Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, eh?

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Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 19:51

Have you really spent a lot of time with him?

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 20/01/2016 19:51

I agree with you Another - nothing positive will be achieved by telling your husband - only a lot of unnecessary hurt and pain. What's done is done, and him moving out once he has found suitable accommodation will be difficult enough for him (and you).

Personally, I don't think leopards change their spots, but I can see how difficult this must be for you as this guy is clearly very much under your skin.

On the plus side, you are both older and presumably wiser now, and if you did give it ONE last shot, at least you really would know for sure this time. Although rare in these cases, there could be a positive outcome for you both, but you must be prepared to face up to it/yourself if it all goes very wrong.

You only have one life and only you can decide what to do.

SfaOkaySuperFurryAnimals · 20/01/2016 19:52

Ten pages really? Fgs you only want him because you know deep down you cannot have him, get some self respect, walk away don't waste anymore of your life on him. He ain't a catch, he's proved that by the appalling way he has used you to date, your poor husband and child, they deserve so much more...

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 19:55

Christina, no not a lot in recent years obviously. The plan was to start to date eachother when we were free to do so. Get to know eachother properly again and see where we end up. Well, that was the plan anyway.

Thanks KeepCool, yeah it's the old leopard and their spots isn't it? I really wanted it to be a case that he could and would change for me. Now, I'm not so sure. All these women can't be wrong. God this really is a mess, isn't it?

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bleedingheart · 20/01/2016 19:55

You need some help OP, professional, qualified counselling or therapy to help you to awake from this fantasy and look at your motivations. Calindana was on to something earlier, I think. I think you almost want this condemnation.
I'm not saying this to be cruel, I have no agenda.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/01/2016 19:55

FWIW, I'm firmly in the 'don't tell' stbx category. There's no point. Why cause the man more pain than he's already going to be feeling.

Gobbolino6 · 20/01/2016 19:57

If it makes you feel better, I think most of us know because he's following a script many of us are familiar with. We know how the script ends.

Bubblesinthesummer · 20/01/2016 19:58

And some of you say he'll find out anyway, I don't think he will.

Seriously don't kid yourself.

He will. You will have to face up to it at some point or another.

FellOutOfBedTwice · 20/01/2016 19:59

Just wanted to praise something crazyhead said a few pages back- I agree OP that in your mind it's either sexless safety with a man you can have or passionate madness with someone you can't (I'm the poster who had an affair with her teacher and who thinks cheating fuck heads seldom change their ways from page 2).

I was the same because the guy I met and nearly married after my affair was a nice man who was reliable and I lived with but our relationship was virtually sexless. My Affair partner was a bastard but he was funny and dynamic and intelligent and sexy (as well as good at sex) but I had never lived with him properly or had him in any real way. So to my mind it was either a) nice, realiable but boring or b) sexy as hell and unreliable/cheaty.

But then- after more than four years or therapy and with other stuff going on in my life- I met the man who is now my husband. And he's funny and charming and dynamic and sexy and the sex is great and fulfilling but he's reliable and good and decent. You CAN have both. Don't settle for this prick who thinks with his cock and doesn't love you because he's incapable of it.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 20:00

Why cause the man more pain than he's already going to be feeling

It's not causing him pain it's about being truthful as to why she is ending the marriage.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 20:01

*It's not about

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 20:04

You don't really know him to love him do you, you haven't spent any serious time e together, lived together, got to know each others foibles. I imagine the time you have spent together had been limited, secretive and exciting.... Not enough to build a life on

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 20:11

FellOutOfBed, that is very, very interesting. God, I really am a walking cliche aren't I?

Women, I want to thank each and every one of you for your contributions. I can't name you all, but I'll be reading every message at a slower pace tonight and I will be taking it all on board. I'm hopeful that some of it will sink into this stupid old brain of mine. I know one thing though, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it isn't a fucking lobster ;)

Many thanks.

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