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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

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AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
SongBird16 · 20/01/2016 18:10

MyDH told his ow he wasn't sleeping with me and that we slept in separate rooms. He used to stay up later than me to message her, send her a photo of himself in the spare bedroom, then come and snuggle up with me. It was all lies. He tells me that it was because she wouldn't continue the relationship unless he convinced her his marriage was over already.

smallfry16 · 20/01/2016 18:10

Tell him to prove it by leaving his partner. He wont.

Jux · 20/01/2016 18:11

Is this a synopsis for a short story, and you've got stuck for a non-cliched ending?

usual · 20/01/2016 18:12

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TheGirlWhoWasntThere · 20/01/2016 18:12

Let me get this right, if you and this guy get together again you jointly will have been responsible for the destruction of 4 families? (His marriage, the girl he had a child with, your marriage and the woman who he is playing happy families with now).
What is wrong with people like you?
Your behaviour is so unbelievably selfish and cruel.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 20/01/2016 18:14

Eek x 2. Grin

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 18:14

Do you have low self esteem? I didn't think I did. I'm starting to wonder now though. And to tell you the truth, if I didn't before today, it's on very fragile fucking ground right now.

Do you really respect a man who behaves the way he does? No. No I don't. I suppose I just think there's another man in there. And I think he could be that man with me. How's that for self esteem?

What do you actually think love is? Well shit, how the hell do I go about answering that? The same as anyone else I guess. But maybe, no obviously, I'm a selfish cow. And entitled and whatever else you want to call me. I just want to be in love and to be loved and I think I could have it with him. I'm in the minority it seems.

God, I'm not feeling too well. Not an attention thing, just a fact. It's been totes emosh. Gonna pop my head out for a breath of fresh air here. I'll be back.

OP posts:
stopfuckingshoutingatme · 20/01/2016 18:16

Woah this thread turned toxic fast

op I say this only - please invest some time and money into decent therapy

This is a huge dilemma and you have the rest of your life

I do t think you are capable of seeing clarity and you won't get answers here

Please PM me if you want advice o. How to acess a decent one

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 20/01/2016 18:17

And hide thread for 24 hours - Flowers

MySordidCakeSecret · 20/01/2016 18:19

OP, do me a favour and look up the definition of "MONOGAMY" in a dictionary.. HTH

SoConfused15 · 20/01/2016 18:19

OP you've put this guy on a pedestal. Seriously, I've been there, done that.

Cutting contact can even make it worse in a way as you just build up "the object of desire" in your mind into the perfect man.

Honestly, he is not your only chance of happiness. OK so you split with your husband and this guy may or may not come through. None of us know the truth of that. Do not wait for him! You must not get sucked into thinking that your life is on hold-today is the first day of the rest of your life so think about what else defines you as you. Spend time to build your own life with your child, friends, your own family, work, hobbies etc.

Don't wait for motivation to come first before action-sometimes you have to take action first. It will be hard but it will be worth it. Your life is about so much more than this relationship.

Funinthesun15 · 20/01/2016 18:20

It feels like there are lots of judgmental people responding to your post.

Not judgemental just have a moral compass and have seen the hurt and devastation affairs cause.

I'll ask again. Are you going to tell your stbxh that you have had an affair OP?

AcrossthePond55 · 20/01/2016 18:21

Here's my opinion: You need to leave BOTH men well alone and get thee to a nunnery for at least a year. A year without any man. Do you think you can do that?

In other words, leave your husband (whom you don't love) to find someone to appreciate him. Leave this amoral OM (who doesn't love you) to shag whomever he can manage to bullshit into believing his lies. Keep yourself TO yourself for at least a year. A year of counseling and soul searching. A year of focusing on yourself, why you did what you did, why you do what you do. A year to learn why you hold yourself so cheaply. If you do that, I have a feeling that at the end of the year you won't want either of them and you'll be ready for a real love with a good man who is truly right for you.

MySordidCakeSecret · 20/01/2016 18:21

and keep your legs bloody closed while this "man" is not single.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 18:21

It's been totes emosh

Just a suggestion. Maybe try growing up Hmm

ovaryhill · 20/01/2016 18:22

He probably will leave his partner, it will probably be everything you want it to be.....for a while
Real sets in eventuality and he will be back to sniffing around other women
You know this
Do you think you have low self esteem and him leaving his partner proves to you that you are the one, the one he loves so much that he's left another woman for and so you must be loveable after all?
The highs and lows of a relationship like this are addictive, the angst and drama are filling some sort of need in

you , you are worth so much more than this, please don't let him ruin any more of your life
I'm not judging you, I really feel for you and recognise the feelings of self loathing you must have to believe that this is acceptable x x

Waltermittythesequel · 20/01/2016 18:23

Seriously, stop with the dramatics.

Your posts reading like a really bad chick lit novel.

These things didn't happen to you, you chose them.

You say you want straight talking then get all cry babyish and aggressive when you get it.

What do you want people to say? Of course it will work out! He's your fucking lobster, isn't he?

Nobody is going to say that.

We don't know him so we can only go on what you've written and he sounds like a big, giant waste of space.

Who can say what will happen in six months? I'd bet my house that he won't be keeping it in his pants for that time. Whether it's your vagina or someone else's depends on how available you make yourself during your 'break'.

SongBird16 · 20/01/2016 18:24

So you think there's a decent man in there, that you could be the woman to finally change him into a decent human being?

You're not the first and you won't be the last, but it's a guaranteed route to failure and heartbreak.

I actually think you should go for it. He's cheating on his wife and you're leaving your DH anyway, so you won't be hurting anyone else. Failure to see this through to the inevitable end will result in you pining for him for the rest of your life, wondering 'what if' and fucking up every relationship you or he ever have by periodically meeting for a shag. Just give it your best shot, then you'll know for sure won't you? Just protect your child as much as possible and don't moan on here when it goes tits up.

Annarose2014 · 20/01/2016 18:27

When this is published, I ain't gonna buy it. I hate all the characters.

Waltermittythesequel · 20/01/2016 18:29

When this is published, I ain't gonna buy it. I hate all the characters Grin

Maybe the ex-husband and the partner of twatface will get together and that will be the real love story!

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 18:30

You see, in my (sad, promiscuous, dillusional) little world, there's a big difference between advice and opinions and insults and dare I say, projection in some cases?

SongBird, you are the last person to post as I look here. You have been firm, but fair in your comments. That I appreciate and will take on board. There are loads of others too. It's what I wanted, it's what I asked for.

But then Waltermitty... your post is both crude and unhelpful. You're not alone obviously, but I cba to name each of you individually.

And of course, each and every one of you are entitled to your opinions and can post whatever and wherever you like. Just saying, you're wasting your fingers, I need real advice here. I can do the self flaggelation myself. The clue is in the word 'self'.

I'm starting to see what I need to do. I'm going to start by reading the thread again and going from there.

Many thanks.

OP posts:
Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 18:31

Is it grant Mitchell and Sharon????

Fontella · 20/01/2016 18:33

Again, he could be lying. But really, why. Why would he be lying to me?

He cheated on his wife, he cheated on you and he's cheating on his current partner and those are just the three we know about. Cheats are liars, it comes with the territory. Lying is part of his DNA. Blokes like this lie as easily as they breathe.

I don't like being unkind OP but you sound totally deluded.

Just imagine yourself as one of us reading your thread starter and subsequent updates. What would you be thinking about the person who wrote what you have written?

ricketytickety · 20/01/2016 18:33

He is a player - his previous actions tell you this. If he wanted to be with you, he would be. He loves to have his women love him and do the pick me dance. You are in love with hope; a dream of what you want, what he tells you he is. If only he could be with you - he says - dangling himself like a carrot. In 6 months time there will be another reason hr can't leave his wife. Or she'll kick him out and you'll take him in and you'll be his cheated on wife.

He's lowered you to his standards. Tell him to do one and find a man with morals. You want a giver, not a taker.

Jux · 20/01/2016 18:35

If you're going to submit this, then use a dictionary. delusional

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