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Does fiance appear to be rude with way he said things?

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lijana · 18/01/2016 00:26

My fiance mentioned that the mousetrap we had was not working as food was being placed on the mousetrap and being taken by the mouse without the trap doing a thing.

My dad (whose english is not the best but can conversationally speak) whom we live with mentioned that he will go to the hardware store immediately to get some mousetraps. My mum asked my fiance to go with my dad. Then my fiance said in a blunt tone 'do we need two people to go?'
My mum insisted that they both go, so my dad walks out the front door with my fiance. My fiance then says he can go by himself when they are outside the house.
My dad then gives him $20 to buy the trap which he declines at first but my dad insists he take it.

My fiance buys 4 mouse traps, we set it up with food and in the morning the food is gone and none of them worked.

My dad in the morning, says to me in a hurt way, that he felt it strange that my fiance insisted on going himself. He felt the way my fiance said 'do we need two people to go?' was rude and felt that my fiance was avoiding going with him for some reason or found my dad annoying. He thinks that my fiance could have said things differently, e.g. say it in the following way 'its easier for me to go alone on the motorbike, or you don't have to waste your time to go I can go and as I know what to look for you can save your time.' One of the reasons my mum asked my dad to go with my fiance was because my dad's english is not good and she thinks two ppl can make better decision than one person.
My fiance is the type of person who does not like teamwork (he has said this specifically to me). He prefers to do things on his own without the help or aid of others unless he really really has to. Once he had a problem with his train card and he was trying to figure out himself for a while when I told him he could just call the call centre they set up for the card to ask them to solve his problem. His reaction was he wanted to solve himself as much as possible first before he calls up, he eventually however had to call them.

I too find it uncomfortable that my fiance said this in this way 'do we need two people to go'??. Regardless of my dad's feelings, if I was the one going with him to the store, I too would feel it is a rude comment. If he had said things in another more polite manner, I may have felt differently.

The above appears to be a small issue, however when certain tones of voice are used which are questioning and sounding annoyed, people's feelings get hurt or they start to feel uncomfortable in their own home.

My question is, what should I do specifically in this situation? I have talked to my dad and told him about my fiance's manner that it was not meant to deliberately hurt him and that he is the type of person who likes to do things himself. My dad feels there is something wrong there in this aspect with him.. from my opinion, although I try to empathise with my fiance as much as possible, I also feel this is an element of his personality that ultimately distances himself from others and also could affect his relations in job, friendwise and other fields not just with me.

I feel like I need to either tell him in person, who ask him through text during the day when we are not together the following question : 'What is the rationale behind why you wanted to go to the hardware store alone?'
Do you think this is a reasonable question to ask or am I being too nit picky in this instance and should just leave it alone and not 'stir the pot'?

OP posts:
wallywobbles · 19/01/2016 06:38

I love the very bones of my DP. He is kind and thoughtful. Listens to me. We share all our thoughts and worries. He never laughs at me only with me. Our relationship is like something warm and comfortable. We are better together. Is this how you feel with him?

We are from different but similar cultures and backgrounds. I've lived in his country for 20 years.

Relationships with different cultures are very very hard. Relationships from different backgrounds likewise.

I honestly believe from what you have written on various threads that your relationship is not going to work in the long term or medium term even.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 19/01/2016 07:07

OP, why don't you try accepting him as he is, biting your tongue when you want to express disapproval, not pressuring him or even expecting him to change according to your criteria?

Just for a month. Then see how you feel about him. If you're still frustrated by him then, leave him to his mice.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 19/01/2016 07:27

I think I'd also be well suited to him. I don't think it takes two people to do a one person job and I over analyse EVERYTHING!

I quite like directness. You know where you are with a person then.

Oh and people say that you have to work at a relationship; that they need attention and to be nurtured. Not that they are hard work.

What is your reason for not ending it?

TheoriginalLEM · 19/01/2016 07:44

do you think he is struggling with cultural differences? he may feel a bit smothered by your parents involvement in your lives?

MTPurse · 19/01/2016 08:01

I often hear that love is hard work..and marriage is hard work

You do have to put work in a relationship Team Work but love and marriage should never be Hard work

I know you have mentioned Aspergers a few times now op and wonder if your dp is on the spectrum but the way your posts are coming across, with all your wanting lists, needing explanations for everything, micro managing, feeling the need to completely analyse what your dp has said or done or what he is thinking, Do you think maybe it is the wrong person in this relationship you are trying to get diagnosed?

GiddyOnZackHunt · 19/01/2016 08:10

Okay no he sounds awful. You're right. It's insurmountable. I wouldn't want to associate with him.
Happy?
Now will you leave the poor guy?

Joysmum · 19/01/2016 08:54

Who we love and marry is based on feelings, not a tick list of attitudes and beliefs.

Based on a tick list of beliefs and attitudes, I wouldn't be with my DH as we are chalk and cheese. I love him to bits and so our differences are insignificant in the face of our love for one another, there's no 'choice' to be made as we would me miserable apart.

I'm gobsmacked you are pushing for a bunch of strangers to character assisinate him based on your account so you can feel guided into making your own decisions.

As asked upthread, list three things you love about him that made you decide that marriage was a good idea?

Your feelings for him don't make your differences insignificant. There's nothing about your posts that suggest you like/love him or would be miserable apart. That's why you are incompatible.

OhShutUpThomas · 19/01/2016 09:02

You don't seem to like, or respect him.

Why are you with him? Why?

Caprinihahahaha · 19/01/2016 09:10

Will no one think of the mice?

Stillunexpected · 19/01/2016 09:11

You want a good explanation of why you are not ready for a serious relationship? Ok, here goes...

You said in your other thread that your are 28 and this is your first relationship. You went to an all girls school, have no male friends and don't seem to understand anything about men and their feelings. You met this fiancé online and it is unclear how much, if any, contact you have with men in your everyday life. You really need to get out, meet some men as friends and interact with them as such, before rushing into marriage.

Just because you are 28 and your parents are telling you it is time to get on and get married and no-one is perfect does not mean that you accept the first relationship that comes along.

You do not seem to understand that human emotions, including love, cannot be quantified, packed away into, or removed from, tidy little boxes at will. Life, and love, are messy and cannot be planned to the nth degree in the way that you seem to need to live your life. Even your demand for empirical evidence to show this is telling.

You are completely under the thumb of your parents. You and your fiancé live with them despite owning your own apartment. They seem to be right in everything and you accept their edicts on work, finances, saving and everything else. Do you not have thoughts and plans of your own? Is your fiancé not allowed to do things his way sometimes?

You constantly overanalyse every situation involving your fiancé. Maybe the poor guy just felt like going to the store on his own, maybe he didn't feel like having to struggle with your father's poor English? It is just what it is, don't turn it into the Spanish Inquisition.

You are dismissive of your fiance's family and country. You have accused people on here of not understanding your situation because we are not Asian and cannot understand how families work there, yet you seem to expect your Ukranian partner to accept this and live with your family.

Conversations with you sound exhausting. Every discussion, argument or comment has to be dissected and picked over. You hold things in your mind and then revisit them days later when the other person has probably completely forgotten the original topic. Sometimes you just need to let things go!

Rather than accept that you and your fiancé are just two very different people and perhaps not compatible with each other, you accuse the poor guy of having autism!

Is that enough reasons for you? Because I'm sure I could go on ...

OTheHugeManatee · 19/01/2016 09:18

OP, I think your biggest problem is that your fiancé doesn't understand about filial piety, and you (and your parents) don't understand that he doesn't understand.

Given this, I don't think you and he are well suited for marriage. Something as fundamental as that needs to be addressed very openly with empathy on both sides for a cross-cultural relationship to work, not treated as one person's problem that needs to be 'fixed'.

Cavaradossi · 19/01/2016 09:36

Still and Manatee have put their finger(s) on it. Cross-cultural relationships, even in the best circumstances, do take more 'work' than ones where (like my DH and me) the people come from exactly the same nationality, background, city, education system etc etc, but you two should be still in the loved-up stage where that kind of making allowances is fun and second-nature, because you love each other, and everything about the other person's past/culture/language is exciting because it's about them.

Instead, you seem to view him through a fog of bafflement and even hostility - everything he does is either baffling or wrong - and are operating some kind of mental tickbox on every element of his behaviour, speech etc etc, with what sounds like parental collusion. And when I say 'you', I mean the three of you - you and your parents - who seem to be operating some kind of hive mind on the subject of your fiancé. I haven't read any of your other threads, so know nothing about him other than what you've said on this one, but I would feel sorry for anyone living with potential ILs who seemed so over-involved and critical.

Manatee is right about the 'filial piety' thing being the sticking point. He doesn't get it. I don't get it. A lot of people on here from other cultures wouldn't get it. And you don't seem to understand that, and feel he should be grateful for your family set up because his own (in your view) was dysfunctional. He may think yours is dysfunctional - he may think you are being infantilised by an over-involved relationship with your parents, and want no part in that.

You know what you should do? Read a bunch of Mn threads about PILs - a lot of people find the relationship with theirs very tricky, even when they don't see them often. I can easily see your fiancé being in this category. He's already signalling this. (WHY did he agree to live with your parents? Can they even communicate fluently?)

If he came to think your parents were completely pointless/controlling/inflexible, and wanted to minimise his interaction with them - which seems perfectly possible - would you still want to marry him? Or if your parents thought he wasn't right for you? It seems you fundamentally think they are far more important than he is, and their opinion certainly carries more weight.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/01/2016 12:45

Hang on a sec, so he wrote a list of topics to talk about on, kept those in his wallet and if needed went to the toilet to look through it if he forgot something??? Seems I was right; this isn''t love, it's recruitment

Last night I spoke with a Chinese friend who, while completely westernized herself, wasn't at all surprised at the massive parental involvement / community-decision-making aspect here; apparently in very traditional families this is how it's done. I don't know if this helps, but she wondered if you'd considered using a dedicated Chinese dating site to find a suitable partner ... her thinking was that this way, you might find someone who not only makes you happy but is culturally acceptable to your parents too?

MinesaBottle · 19/01/2016 18:32

What do your parents think of him? Do they like him? It sounds like you are trying to come up with reasons to end it to tell to them, not him!

Are you the youngest or only daughter meaning you're expected to look after your parents in their old age? If so then you really need to find someone who is more traditional and understands your filial obligations.

wannabestressfree · 19/01/2016 19:14

stillunexpected that was a brilliant post and so right...

springydaffs · 20/01/2016 00:49

Good post to someone from our culture stillunexpected but not to someone of a different culture. Not all cultures believe that love is 'messy' and many cultures have heavy parental involvement. It's not for us to say they are wrong - or that we are right.

News flash: not all cultures are British! Or western! A lot of the posts on here are embarrassingly rude about op's culture and cultural ways and beliefs.

I agree with you op that posters don't want to understand your culture. You'd do better to post on/talk to sites/people from your culture who are negotiating the western/different cultures.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 20/01/2016 05:30

You seem to be operating under the assumption that either a) he is a Good Person and therefore you need to accept him and change in order to enjoy his company, or b) he is Not A Good Person and he should change or you should leave him.

That is really, really not how it works. That's why you're not getting lists and checkboxes from us. It MAY be that in some cultures, you are expected to marry someone who ticks certain checkboxes irrespective of your emotion towards them. Your family might be modelling that. But if so, then you need to own that choice. In your case, though, you're clearly wanting to marry for love and long term companionship, and you can't sew those out of whole cloth.

rollonthesummer · 20/01/2016 07:07

Summed up brilliantly, tortoise.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 07:17

A lot of the posts on here are embarrassingly rude about op's culture and cultural ways and beliefs.

The OP has been sweetness and light about all cultures hasn't she?

In fact she has been very rude at times.

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