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Does fiance appear to be rude with way he said things?

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lijana · 18/01/2016 00:26

My fiance mentioned that the mousetrap we had was not working as food was being placed on the mousetrap and being taken by the mouse without the trap doing a thing.

My dad (whose english is not the best but can conversationally speak) whom we live with mentioned that he will go to the hardware store immediately to get some mousetraps. My mum asked my fiance to go with my dad. Then my fiance said in a blunt tone 'do we need two people to go?'
My mum insisted that they both go, so my dad walks out the front door with my fiance. My fiance then says he can go by himself when they are outside the house.
My dad then gives him $20 to buy the trap which he declines at first but my dad insists he take it.

My fiance buys 4 mouse traps, we set it up with food and in the morning the food is gone and none of them worked.

My dad in the morning, says to me in a hurt way, that he felt it strange that my fiance insisted on going himself. He felt the way my fiance said 'do we need two people to go?' was rude and felt that my fiance was avoiding going with him for some reason or found my dad annoying. He thinks that my fiance could have said things differently, e.g. say it in the following way 'its easier for me to go alone on the motorbike, or you don't have to waste your time to go I can go and as I know what to look for you can save your time.' One of the reasons my mum asked my dad to go with my fiance was because my dad's english is not good and she thinks two ppl can make better decision than one person.
My fiance is the type of person who does not like teamwork (he has said this specifically to me). He prefers to do things on his own without the help or aid of others unless he really really has to. Once he had a problem with his train card and he was trying to figure out himself for a while when I told him he could just call the call centre they set up for the card to ask them to solve his problem. His reaction was he wanted to solve himself as much as possible first before he calls up, he eventually however had to call them.

I too find it uncomfortable that my fiance said this in this way 'do we need two people to go'??. Regardless of my dad's feelings, if I was the one going with him to the store, I too would feel it is a rude comment. If he had said things in another more polite manner, I may have felt differently.

The above appears to be a small issue, however when certain tones of voice are used which are questioning and sounding annoyed, people's feelings get hurt or they start to feel uncomfortable in their own home.

My question is, what should I do specifically in this situation? I have talked to my dad and told him about my fiance's manner that it was not meant to deliberately hurt him and that he is the type of person who likes to do things himself. My dad feels there is something wrong there in this aspect with him.. from my opinion, although I try to empathise with my fiance as much as possible, I also feel this is an element of his personality that ultimately distances himself from others and also could affect his relations in job, friendwise and other fields not just with me.

I feel like I need to either tell him in person, who ask him through text during the day when we are not together the following question : 'What is the rationale behind why you wanted to go to the hardware store alone?'
Do you think this is a reasonable question to ask or am I being too nit picky in this instance and should just leave it alone and not 'stir the pot'?

OP posts:
mum2mum99 · 18/01/2016 12:55

If you need an 'interpreter' every time one of you speak it is GOING NOWHERE!

Countrymusic · 18/01/2016 13:11

What an insult! You seem so rigid, rude, racist, money grabber and so misguided yourself, I'm now feeling bad for your poor 'pregnant mouse dissecting' fiancé. Why don't you just go to your parents for advice as it appears they are the only two people who got it right on this planet? Don't waste your time on mn and ladies with relationship problems. You need no advice, you need some serious counselling. Double standards, much?

Gobbolino6 · 18/01/2016 13:23

Very little you have said about your partner seems odd to me, apart from the mouse dissection which seems quirky but harmless.

I think what you are taking issue with is just his personality, the way he is. It doesn't seem rude, although obviously we can't get the full impression here.

Branleuse · 18/01/2016 13:29

I think your husband was rude, but maybe hes fed up of you and your family micromanaging and analysing everything he says or thinks?

Nottodaythankyouorever · 18/01/2016 13:30

Your DP may be rude however so are you.

Cavaradossi · 18/01/2016 13:45

If my MIL 'insisted' that I accompany my able-bodied FIL to the hardware shop to offer some kind of personalised consultation on buying a new mousetrap, and THEN my FIL then went to my wife and whined about my rudeness in saying I would go by myself, and THEN my wife built this into an issue surrounding my rudeness, and THEN went to an internet forum to ask how she should tackle my apparently baffling wish to buy a mousetrap alone, I would be wondering whether I was allowed to breathe solo without a full family consultation on whether I was doing it in the right way.

Is there a proper Chinese way of going to the hardware store? Do Ukrainians do it all wrong or something?

Surely the answer to the question you want to text him is that this unfortunate man is desperate to get away from your critical, over-involved parents and a houseful of ninja mice?

MTPurse · 18/01/2016 13:49

Oh another episode of the Mouse man chronicles.

Op, I don't think your dp was rude at all, he was being honest with his opinion, it does not take two people to go to the store to buy mousetraps.

You seriously need to end this relationship, you sound unbelievably draining.

I am wondering how both your parents have lived in an english speaking country for so long without learning the English language tbh?

Orrla · 18/01/2016 15:57

I've just seen your other two threads. All in the space of a few weeks. Not once in all of your posts, have you mentioned whether or not you love him. You say you love certain traits, such as his practicality or his ability to be hard working. But not once have you said that you love him.

All you do is moan about him. So it begs the question, why are you with him if you are so miserable?

Letseatgrandma · 18/01/2016 18:06

He's not a penniless immigrant though, is he?! Your last thread moaning about him said he earns a good wage?!

Lndnmummy · 18/01/2016 18:32

Ia this a windup? Genuine question. Do we now have mousegate?

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 18/01/2016 18:35

it would massively annoy me to be volunteered for an errand by anyone, even more so my MIL

Yep. It seems this guy has just been drafted in to be treated as a child and a general dogsbody. How weird.

Lndnmummy · 18/01/2016 18:36

Actually this thread is really funny

lijana · 18/01/2016 22:50

Many mentioned my MIL asking him to do something e.g. go with my dad to the hardware store as 'treating him like a child, or dogbody.' They keep saying they would do no such thing if their MIL asked them... what kind of daughter or son in laws are these people?

If my fiance's parents wanted me to go somewhere with them cause their english isnt good to help them out I would happily do so without questioning it. If I was a Ukrainian girl who just came here and found a guy in this country who grew up here and had a nice family who cared a lot for me , I would happily help them out. I was even learning some russian to try to communicate with my fiance's parents in future. However my fiance didnt encourage this much actually, he appeared disinterested when I was learning russian and picky of my accent. He told me that I don't need to learn it.

OP posts:
RedMapleLeaf · 18/01/2016 22:59

Why. Are. You. In. A. Relationship. With. This. Man?

Offred · 18/01/2016 23:05

Yes, because you have different values.

All your problems come down to this.

You can either accept his differences or you can't. That's relationships.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 18/01/2016 23:21

If I were a Ukrainian girl
Except you aren't ergo you don't understand Ukrainians by your logic.
Stop talking about your parents.
Talk about your fiancée. You aren't doing him a life changing favour by allowing him to be your parents' SIL.
How much time did your parents see their parents?

lijana · 18/01/2016 23:24

Based on what I have said about this him, would any one feel you would want to date him? or marry him?

I asked him about what his values are to understand him better. He couldn't tell me what they were, another thing he also said was 'just because he has similar values to another person doesnt mean he will like them'. He thought my question about values was strange.

I was brought up to think that people can change over time whether they like it or not. As you learn from new experiences and being in another country changes your ways of thinking. Also people can learn to be more empathetic if they live in different environments.

My fiance grew up in family where father is an alcoholic and lives under the same roof and doesnt speak to his mum. He grew up part of his life with his grandparents who all they know is clothe and feed him but not give him any intellectual stimulation, (they are all blue collar workers).

I understand people say incompatibility, however I would like someone to list out a few things of what they seem to be.
I feel like I have a lot to learn from my fiance in regards to his directness and bluntness as I tend to be much less direct as a person and it has disadvantaged me in certain situations. He on the other hand is happy that I am a very likeable person and quite flexible. So perhaps people who are not fundamentally similar in personality can complement each other?

OP posts:
SmillasSenseOfSnow · 18/01/2016 23:32

So perhaps people who are not fundamentally similar in personality can complement each other?

Yes, they can, but I wouldn't say that is what is happening in your relationship.

LineyReborn · 18/01/2016 23:36

How did you two meet and become engaged?

I met my 'other half' through mutual friends, and we talked, and were attracted, and he asked me out, and we talked some more, and we kissed (etc), and we fell in love and we met each others' families; and we are planning our future. We both have responsibilities to and relationships with teenage children, siblings and parents. We have values.

Most importantly, we want to be together.

lorelei9 · 18/01/2016 23:40

The only happy participants I can see in this relationship are the mice.

slightlyinsane · 18/01/2016 23:42

Those poor mice.
Are you doing a psychology or social sciences degree???? You seem beyond analytical about behaviours, race, class the list is endless

GiddyOnZackHunt · 18/01/2016 23:43

Oh no, no, no.
Listing values. Listing incompatibilities. Complimentary qualities.
You talk as if this is a business merger. It isn't. Tell me about the butterflies. Tell me about the spark. Tell me about how he will support you through the loss of the majority shareholders...

OhforGodsake · 18/01/2016 23:43

OP there is no way in hell that your relationship with mouse man can survive. 1 you appear to want to change everything about him. 2 you are more interested in what your parents want than you as a couple. 3 judging from your frequent postings about such a relatively short relationship you've had waaay too many problems for this to be able to continue. But I suspect that this isn't what you want to hear and even if/when the current crisis with mice is done & dusted, I think you'll be back with another.

goddessofsmallthings · 18/01/2016 23:51

It seems you believe that you and your dps have done your fiance an enormous favour by rescuing him from whatever fate you imagine he would have had if you hadn't come along, and your expectation is that he should constantly show his gratitude by word and deed.

The fact is that if he hadn't become involved with you he may have met a charming Australian woman of Lituanian origin with whom he'd have very little cultural difference.

Similarly, if you hadn't chosen him to fixate on you could be living in harmony with an Australian guy of Chinese origin who shares your values.

As advised previously, let this guy off the hook and let him find a woman who doesn't treat him as if he's some peculiar being whose every word and deed has to be scrutinised to the nth degree

lorelei9 · 18/01/2016 23:52

Giddy, I don't think the OP is seeing it as a business merger. Marriage as a business merger is something that makes sense to me, but all I see here is two people who don't get on but, well, possibly have a sense that they want to be married and can't find anyone more suitable. Frankly it sounds like a tragedy for both of them.

Chap sounds like he might be trying to create a happy family? From other threads I get the sense the OP thinks being single is unacceptable and this is a bloke she found?! I don't know, it all sounds so odd, but the mice are clearly being well fed, so that's good to know.

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