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Does fiance appear to be rude with way he said things?

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lijana · 18/01/2016 00:26

My fiance mentioned that the mousetrap we had was not working as food was being placed on the mousetrap and being taken by the mouse without the trap doing a thing.

My dad (whose english is not the best but can conversationally speak) whom we live with mentioned that he will go to the hardware store immediately to get some mousetraps. My mum asked my fiance to go with my dad. Then my fiance said in a blunt tone 'do we need two people to go?'
My mum insisted that they both go, so my dad walks out the front door with my fiance. My fiance then says he can go by himself when they are outside the house.
My dad then gives him $20 to buy the trap which he declines at first but my dad insists he take it.

My fiance buys 4 mouse traps, we set it up with food and in the morning the food is gone and none of them worked.

My dad in the morning, says to me in a hurt way, that he felt it strange that my fiance insisted on going himself. He felt the way my fiance said 'do we need two people to go?' was rude and felt that my fiance was avoiding going with him for some reason or found my dad annoying. He thinks that my fiance could have said things differently, e.g. say it in the following way 'its easier for me to go alone on the motorbike, or you don't have to waste your time to go I can go and as I know what to look for you can save your time.' One of the reasons my mum asked my dad to go with my fiance was because my dad's english is not good and she thinks two ppl can make better decision than one person.
My fiance is the type of person who does not like teamwork (he has said this specifically to me). He prefers to do things on his own without the help or aid of others unless he really really has to. Once he had a problem with his train card and he was trying to figure out himself for a while when I told him he could just call the call centre they set up for the card to ask them to solve his problem. His reaction was he wanted to solve himself as much as possible first before he calls up, he eventually however had to call them.

I too find it uncomfortable that my fiance said this in this way 'do we need two people to go'??. Regardless of my dad's feelings, if I was the one going with him to the store, I too would feel it is a rude comment. If he had said things in another more polite manner, I may have felt differently.

The above appears to be a small issue, however when certain tones of voice are used which are questioning and sounding annoyed, people's feelings get hurt or they start to feel uncomfortable in their own home.

My question is, what should I do specifically in this situation? I have talked to my dad and told him about my fiance's manner that it was not meant to deliberately hurt him and that he is the type of person who likes to do things himself. My dad feels there is something wrong there in this aspect with him.. from my opinion, although I try to empathise with my fiance as much as possible, I also feel this is an element of his personality that ultimately distances himself from others and also could affect his relations in job, friendwise and other fields not just with me.

I feel like I need to either tell him in person, who ask him through text during the day when we are not together the following question : 'What is the rationale behind why you wanted to go to the hardware store alone?'
Do you think this is a reasonable question to ask or am I being too nit picky in this instance and should just leave it alone and not 'stir the pot'?

OP posts:
GiddyOnZackHunt · 18/01/2016 10:46

Oh lordy this isn't about the merits of the people involved. It is about the relationship of two people who appear to be incompatible. You might all be the most tip top people of all time but the relationship isn't right.

That's all. Except to say I'm happily married to a man who would certainly annoy a lot of people but our relationship works because we 'get' each other. And I'm not the easiest person to live with either.

Stillunexpected · 18/01/2016 10:47

many Caucasian people like yourself feel some entitled superiority - and you know that people responding to you are Caucasian how? If by "entitled superiority" you mean that people are fairly united in advising you to break up with this man and do not seem to be telling you only what you want to hear, then yes we probably are.

Offred · 18/01/2016 10:47

You don't need to accept racism from a partner. If you feel he is racist wouldn't it be wiser not to marry him?

You can't make him not be racist if he is...

ElderlyKoreanLady · 18/01/2016 10:48

Your assumption that everyone here is Caucasian is really quite weird Confused

Offred · 18/01/2016 10:50

But equally, not accepting that Chinese values are the correct values to have is not an example of racism towards the Chinese.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 18/01/2016 10:53

The person coming accross as racist here is quite frankly you.

You know nothing about other posters.

Stop throwing about very offensive generalisations just because posters aren't saying what you want to hear.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 18/01/2016 10:53

But nobody is saying you shouldn't love and respect your parents. That not the relationship that is in a mess.

Funinthesun15 · 18/01/2016 10:55

and many Caucasian people like yourself feel some entitled superiority whether you claim yourself to be racist or not. Caucasians don't appear to understand filial piety or respect for ones parents.

Heard it all now Hmm

lijana · 18/01/2016 10:56

Many people have asked where I'm from and how cultural diff cause problems so I assume they are not Asian or Chinese on here mostly. Otherwise they would get how Asians are.

OP posts:
Offred · 18/01/2016 10:57

It's OK to really feel your Chinese values are absolutely fundamental.

I can see why because my personal values are incredibly important to me too.

If that is the case you need to choose someone else, someone who broadly shares your values and sees them as as important as you do.

Funinthesun15 · 18/01/2016 11:00

Otherwise they would get how Asians are.

Because all Asians are the same.

When in a hole stop digging.

Offred · 18/01/2016 11:01

But as a side note, you will be happier and have more opportunities for friendship if you try and understand different cultural values without being quite so judgemental.

People do have different values based on the culture they grew up in. Sometimes things are different but not 'wrong', sometimes you can prefer your values to other people's without being quite so intolerant of different ways of doing things.

BaronessEllaSaturday · 18/01/2016 11:02

I'm on mumsnet because I'm parenting a child nothing to do with relationships, I saw your thread because it was in active.

I'm getting the impression that you are looking for a reason to end the relationship but that you just not feeling right about it isn't enough of a reason for you but it should be.

You are coming across as someone who would look at a flower and see the beauty of it he would see it and want to find out how it works probably by dissecting it. Neither approach is wrong but they can not work together.

I know we are often told that a good guy is worth holding on to but that is very simplistic. It's not just about being a good guy but being the right guy, he may be good but he isn't right for you so it's time to end it, you will find someone better for you.

Offred · 18/01/2016 11:02

(Which is what you quite rightly expect from other people re you cultural values btw).

definitelybutter1 · 18/01/2016 11:12

I'm on here for the bunfights.

OP - just think, thirty years from now it will not be better. People get more themselves as they get older. They get neater/messier or quieter/louder. So in thirty, forty, fifty years time you will be in the same situations but more so. If you have kids together, can you imagine what your kids' friends would say?

I think you need to find a way of explaining that some things aren't right and have a code word so that when you say, eg, 'bazinga' then he knows that he has crossed a line.

definitelybutter1 · 18/01/2016 11:20

Also, not wanting to be rude, but I understand Asia as being a very big place that includes Iran, India and Japan. They all seem to have very different traditions and attitudes. I don't feel comfortable lumping them together.

I am also uncomfortable about using the physical characteristics such as Caucasian as an indicator of personality. In my limited experience, people are kind or thoughtless or energetic from all sorts of different backgrounds. There are cultural habits but I think kindness and a willingness to consider another person's feelings are human, and however they are expressed are either there or they are not there.

Stillunexpected · 18/01/2016 11:33

Otherwise they would get how Asians are - but you expect your Ukranian boyfriend to "get" you? Do you not see the problem here?

Have you at any point answered the question of why you are with this man? How did your relationship ever progress to the point where you became engaged?

firesidechat · 18/01/2016 11:34

What are you women doing on here mostly? Do you all have relationship problems? You probably mostly divorced or husbands cheating on you?

How to win friends and influence people hey op? Grin

You can safely take advice from me - been happily married for 32 years. That ok with you? Confused

Believeitornot · 18/01/2016 11:41

The only person who can decide if this man is one to marry is you.

Stop looking for validation and think about how you feel. Grow up, take responsibility and do what is right for you.

omri · 18/01/2016 11:48

I'd also love to hear from OP why she is in this relationship. What are his good points and why are you happy to marry him? Honestly now.

mum2mum99 · 18/01/2016 11:50

I don't think you are on the same page.
Yes he can think he does not take 2 to go to the shop.
But feelings are already escalating on both sides, with you in the middle. Living with your parents does not seem to be a good idea already.
And not sure you should live with him either...

Cavaradossi · 18/01/2016 11:50

OP, you sound absolutely exhausting, and as if you're suffering from some kind of weird - and frankly offensive - racial essentialism. I'm not Chinese, but am an immigrant from a place that attracts a fair bit of dinner-party prejudice. I've been with my DH for over 23 years, very happily. I saw your thread on active conversations, I don't hang around on Relationships because of my divorces/sex problems/infidelities. Some people are on here for those reasons. Is that OK for you?

This relationship is doomed. You don't understand one another, you have utterly different priorities, picking his every utterance apart is a hobby of yours, and while you bang on about cultural differences, you seem to expect him to obey your culture's ideas about 'filial piety' and indirect politeness, rather than his culture's directness. Neither is right, but if you are going to stay together and not spend your entire life posting about his every word on Mn, you need to make allowances for one another. I wouldn't have been trotting off to buy mousetraps because my mother in law told me to, and unless someone had specifically told me that I was being accompanied by my FIL in order to improve his English, I would also have said two people weren't necessary,

For God's sake, OP, call Rentokil or the local council. It'll be easier than any more cultural misunderstandings about mousetraps.

RudeElf · 18/01/2016 12:28

Oh christ. Youre a fucking idiot OP. You have no business engaging with humans in any capacity.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 18/01/2016 12:43

Your opening question: "Does fiance appear rude....?"
Lots of opininions from MNers.
OP is then extremely rude to MNers.
Irony, much?

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 18/01/2016 12:48

That about sums it up Sponge

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