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Does fiance appear to be rude with way he said things?

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lijana · 18/01/2016 00:26

My fiance mentioned that the mousetrap we had was not working as food was being placed on the mousetrap and being taken by the mouse without the trap doing a thing.

My dad (whose english is not the best but can conversationally speak) whom we live with mentioned that he will go to the hardware store immediately to get some mousetraps. My mum asked my fiance to go with my dad. Then my fiance said in a blunt tone 'do we need two people to go?'
My mum insisted that they both go, so my dad walks out the front door with my fiance. My fiance then says he can go by himself when they are outside the house.
My dad then gives him $20 to buy the trap which he declines at first but my dad insists he take it.

My fiance buys 4 mouse traps, we set it up with food and in the morning the food is gone and none of them worked.

My dad in the morning, says to me in a hurt way, that he felt it strange that my fiance insisted on going himself. He felt the way my fiance said 'do we need two people to go?' was rude and felt that my fiance was avoiding going with him for some reason or found my dad annoying. He thinks that my fiance could have said things differently, e.g. say it in the following way 'its easier for me to go alone on the motorbike, or you don't have to waste your time to go I can go and as I know what to look for you can save your time.' One of the reasons my mum asked my dad to go with my fiance was because my dad's english is not good and she thinks two ppl can make better decision than one person.
My fiance is the type of person who does not like teamwork (he has said this specifically to me). He prefers to do things on his own without the help or aid of others unless he really really has to. Once he had a problem with his train card and he was trying to figure out himself for a while when I told him he could just call the call centre they set up for the card to ask them to solve his problem. His reaction was he wanted to solve himself as much as possible first before he calls up, he eventually however had to call them.

I too find it uncomfortable that my fiance said this in this way 'do we need two people to go'??. Regardless of my dad's feelings, if I was the one going with him to the store, I too would feel it is a rude comment. If he had said things in another more polite manner, I may have felt differently.

The above appears to be a small issue, however when certain tones of voice are used which are questioning and sounding annoyed, people's feelings get hurt or they start to feel uncomfortable in their own home.

My question is, what should I do specifically in this situation? I have talked to my dad and told him about my fiance's manner that it was not meant to deliberately hurt him and that he is the type of person who likes to do things himself. My dad feels there is something wrong there in this aspect with him.. from my opinion, although I try to empathise with my fiance as much as possible, I also feel this is an element of his personality that ultimately distances himself from others and also could affect his relations in job, friendwise and other fields not just with me.

I feel like I need to either tell him in person, who ask him through text during the day when we are not together the following question : 'What is the rationale behind why you wanted to go to the hardware store alone?'
Do you think this is a reasonable question to ask or am I being too nit picky in this instance and should just leave it alone and not 'stir the pot'?

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DoreenLethal · 18/01/2016 06:48

It doesnt matter what we think on here.

It really doesnt.

The issue is: if you are asking this many questions now, take it as read that you should not be marrying this man. Because if you resist listening to your gut, you are the person that will lose out in the end.

Kittymum03 · 18/01/2016 07:01

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Leslieknope45 · 18/01/2016 07:06

How did he become your fiancé? You talk about him as if you don't really know him, picking out examples of things he has said and trying to figure them out. You sound like you've just started dating. Just end it now, it doesn't seem like it's going to work; whether he's a jerk or you're a jerk... You don't seem to like him.

BaronessEllaSaturday · 18/01/2016 07:09

Your fiancé is right it doesn't take more than one person to go to the store. The work guy leaving presents on his desk is an odd thing to do and I agree with your fiancé there too, I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who did that. With regards to the ballroon ride you stated your fiancé was talking to the operator, it sounds very much as if your fiancé is interested in technicalities not aesthetics you however come across the opposite. I don't think either of you are wrong as such just wrong for each other

RickJames · 18/01/2016 07:18

Is this the boyfriend from Ukraine? IME I find Northern Europeans/ Eastern Europeans more direct than their southern counterparts. I now prefer it to fannying about but I remember in the early days with my now DH, I was rendered speechless a few times with his directness. You can learn to love it or hate it but I doubt you'll change it.

Soooosie · 18/01/2016 07:20

It just sounds to me that he's a bit if a loaner or slightly ASD while your dad is the opposite and in need if support

WipsGlitter · 18/01/2016 07:23

If that is all true then you need to really think is this the relationship for you. Do you actually love your finance? Do you even know him that well?? It sounds like he is a blunt sort of person and that will be very hard for you to change.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 18/01/2016 07:31

Oh and there is nothing 'wrong' with him in not wanting to involve everyone else in everything. I would rather resolve an issue myself than call a call centre if I can.

Your mother was busybodying in trying to get two people, neither of whom were her, to go to the shop. Not everyone needs another person to make a decision with them!

firesidechat · 18/01/2016 07:50

Op you do know that people usually both love and quite like the person they are going to marry? Since you appear to neither like nor love him, I think it's best if you end it, as simple as that.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/01/2016 07:57

bit of a loaner or slightly ASD

Wtf

ravenmum · 18/01/2016 07:59

I don't think it takes teamwork to buy mousetraps, unless they are very big mice. But I can understand that your fiancé might not feel comfortable in his own home, as you put it, when he has his future MIL sending him out on pointless errands like a schoolboy, and his fiancée telling him that he needs to change his character.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/01/2016 08:01

ASD is not a personality quirk

NerrSnerr · 18/01/2016 08:02

He's not a jerk, you're just not suited as a couple.

I'd want to go and buy the traps alone too.

rollonthesummer · 18/01/2016 08:06

Why are you with him still? You are not suited and you barely seem to like him!

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 18/01/2016 08:13

You sound extremely hard work OP.

You over analyse everything. Do you not find it tiring?

Joysmum · 18/01/2016 08:16

However many people appear to find his behaviour normal, which makes me think I need to change

Bizarre Confused you're being advised by everybody that you aren't compatible with him.

There are lots of good men in this word with 'normal' behaviour. Doesn't mean they'd be the right match for every woman with 'normal' behaviour.

Your outlooks, attitudes and behaviours are incompatible. You can't change the fundamentals of who you are any more than he can.

Why on earth are you fixated with trying to make it work with somebody you clearly respect or understand?

Isetan · 18/01/2016 08:50

Stop treating every incident like they're unrelated, there's a pattern building here and it's becoming more obvious that you two aren't compatible in some fundamental areas. The longer you stay with this man, the more these 'incidents' will grate, which in turn will lead to resentment.

tigermoll · 18/01/2016 09:22

If it was just this isolated incident, I would say that your fiance was not being unreasonable it would massively annoy me to be volunteered for an errand by anyone, even more so my MIL. You father was perfectly capable of going by himself, why did you DM butt in and insist that your fiance accompany him? And then for you DF to pull you aside and complain about your fiance's "tone" and suggest different ways he might have worded it makes me want to grind my teeth. It sounds like there was a huge amount of faff over nothing the traps don't work, someone has to go and buy traps right now, someone else has to go with them, etc and when your fiance showed his annoyance, there were even more ruffled feathers and faff. Exhausting.

Your fiance's tone may have been a bit rude, but that was entirely appropriate -- it communicated to everyone "I find being volunteered for pointless tasks extremely annoying. Please do not do so again." As you point out, we communicate in more than just the words we say.

rollonthesummer · 18/01/2016 09:24

I can't imagine living with your parents is easy for him either?

sofato5miles · 18/01/2016 09:28

This relationship is like a dodo. Dead.

The longer you stay in it, the more you are to blame.

Offred · 18/01/2016 09:37

What are you hoping to get out of these threads?

Everyone saying he has a problem so that you can 'fix' him?

He doesn't have a problem, he's just very different to you. There is nothing you have said about him that makes him sound anything other than a normal human being, just one with very different values to you.

Your relationship is only going to work if you can love and accept his differences. Neither of you is 'right', you are just different.

If you continue to treat him as though there is something wrong with him you will damage his self esteem and ruin the relationship.

lijana · 18/01/2016 09:46

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tigermoll · 18/01/2016 09:51

My dad's English is not good therefore going with my fiancé as suggested by my mum would have helped him as my fiancé could advise him on what to pick. He could learn something from my fiancé

Really? I'd have thought that he'd learn more from going by himself and having to figure it out. That's certainly how I learned French.

You probably mostly divorced or husbands cheating on you?

Bwahahaha -- you don't like what everyone's saying so you're going to stoop to personal abuse? Classy, OP, really classy.

Offred · 18/01/2016 09:51

You are asking that after starting a number of threads asking for advice?Hmm

It's clear that you are unwilling to consider that your behaviour may be in any way a problem in this situation and that you think MN is not a good place to post for advice on how to force a round peg into a square hole so it's a bit pointless anyone commenting further really isn't it?

Kittymum03 · 18/01/2016 09:52

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