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Husband crossed a line (long)

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NCShouldLTB · 24/11/2015 02:26

I was at a work event about 10 days ago that OH was also at. The next day, OH said he thought the dress was a bit too short for a work thing. To be totally honest, I was inclined to agree with him - it tended to ride up which I hadn't noticed before and I was also wearing less opaque tights than I usually would. It turned into a row as he was being dictatorial rather than "friendly word in your ear" about it. I also think there was an element of jealousy in it as he accused me of dressing up for the "dirty old men" at the event. Anyway, we rowed. I went out for the day with the kids. He picked us up. We had a more civilized conversation about it later on after the kids were in bed. I figured to myself I might cut the dress into a top or something as I didn't want it to go to waste if I didn't like the look of it with the proper tights the next time.

Cut to two nights later and I go to get a different dress ready for work and it's not in my closet. Nor is the short dress. He has taken 2 of my dresses. He first tells me he gave them to charity but then admits they are in the shed. I am beyond furious and tell him so, don't get into any debate about the why he took them or anything, just tell him it is in no way acceptable to take my clothes. Tell him it's abusive, controlling etc. He apologises (which is extremely rare for him - to actually say it out loud, he's usually more the type to show he's sorry by actions than words). He says we can go shopping to get me something new. I am not mad keen on the idea - prefer to shop alone and don't really want his input anyway and certainly not him checking hem lengths for respectability in any way, shape or form. However, he is really making an effort so I go along with the idea.

However, the taking of the dresses plays on my mind a lot - it crosses such a terrible line. I emailed my thoughts on it and he agreed it crossed a line but his reply also implied some level of him believing he "had to" to get my attention as I was not taking him seriously. Bleurgh.

Then, this evening, I went to check about another dress of mine that I need to do a bit of mending on. This is a dress that would not look amiss on Kate Middleton - not that this it really matters either way, it was MY dress - and he has taken that too. He did not mention to me that he had taken more than the ones I knew about. And he did not take the opportunity to replace them in my closet in the week or so they were in the shed. In fact, there were 5 more dresses in there, including the one that needed mending. Again, not that it matters because they were MINE - but his point was about not giving the wrong idea in a work environment where there are known lecherous blokes and women who work there who dress in any way provocatively have been asked if they are sleeping with the boss - and only two of these could be considered non work appropriate.

So I am furious again but he is out so we can't thrash it out so I am here. I think he just doesn't like my style at work and think I should dress more office wearish. I disagree but that is not the big thing. The big think is that he thought it was ok to go into my closet and confiscate stuff.

So yes, there are thoughts of LTB in my head especially as there have been a few comments in the past year that have slightly struck a wrong note about his attitude to his role as husband being a controlling one. However, we have been together 11 years, married 8 and have 2 kids. He doesn't have form for this in the previous years.

And i mostly needed to brain dump as he is out so I can't dump on him right now and tell him how bloody wrong he is.

Well done if you got this far.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 26/11/2015 04:21

NC, you work in the same place he did.

Did it change you into a person who would criticise his choices, question what he was getting up to if he was late home, hide his after shave or remark that he was wearing something that smelled nice and that he seemed to have taken extra care about shaving after he had told you you were being a controlling arsehole?

If it didn't do any of that to you why did it do that to him?

Presumably you have been on maternity leave and away from work, and presumably that didn't turn you into a controlling arsehole either?

I mean that he thought I was wearing one of the dresses he took so he knew that I wasn't going to not wear them because of what he said, IYSWIM. He didn't ask nastily...more in a jokey tone.
Many a deadly serious statement was couched as a joke.
He has not taken anything you said on board.

I think you are not seeing the wood for the trees here and I think you have a really serious problem with this man.

It is great that you don't intend to comply with his attempts to control you. But don't underestimate how much you could be worn down by his testing/crossing your boundaries over time, how much harder it is to leave someone when the little encroachments seem smaller compared to this one if you stay for it, how much energy policing his controlling instinct will cost. A relationship shouldn't be like that, you shouldn't need to tell him that you alone decide what is appropriate for you to wear.
YYY to ^this [ThirdThoughts].
When you find yourself trying to teach someone how to be normal, you are fighting a battle that is not worth winning.

mix56 · 26/11/2015 08:19

So have you had this proper discussion ??????

Oliversmumsarmy · 26/11/2015 08:49

I don't think you have got to the bottom of why he did this yet. I would suggest that the myriad of excuses he has given you are masking the real reason and until you find the real reason you will not be able to move forward.

NCShouldLTB2 · 27/11/2015 16:03

Sorry - had name changed back to my usual name and then it would not let me change back to the one I had here so tagged a on the end.

Thanks again everyone for input. We are talking still about it all. We are not through it fully as we are getting to the bottom of a few things, to be honest.

RandomMess Yes, your post resonated a lot with me because I think he was feeling unsupported as I tried to not get too bogged down in his negative talk about work but he needed validation of that.
This *I also now when I'm not "well" I do get fixated on things and frustrated about unimportant stuff. Just a few more thoughts to throw in there but I think he's just going through a complete "headfuck" with his former workplace and he's taken out his paranoia etc. on you.

Still doesn't make it okay though! I think you've may have some potentially difficult conversations to have, perhaps we you are told he feels let down by you? Rational and emotional responses rarely make for an easy life.* also resonated with me about how he has behaved.

I think he has felt let down and I have not seen that. We are having lots of talks. It's opening things up.
We are both making more efforts with each other.

Thanks again to all.

RandomMess · 27/11/2015 16:22

Glad that progress is being made. I think most of us sometimes behave badly/less than ideal at times due to external stuff trigging all sorts of issues we bury inside. Hopefully working through it together will bring you closer and help end that horrid chapter in your DH life.

Flowers
mathanxiety · 29/11/2015 05:05

Do you share with him the expectation that he will "hear you too?

He has not heard you wrt his assumption that he can dictate to you what you will wear, and he has insinuated that you are ripe for the plucking by the lecherous blokes in the office.

He has succeeded in deflecting you from your very rightful anger at his behaviour to concern for his wellbeing. I think he has got away with the principle that he has the right to control what you wear.

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