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Husband crossed a line (long)

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NCShouldLTB · 24/11/2015 02:26

I was at a work event about 10 days ago that OH was also at. The next day, OH said he thought the dress was a bit too short for a work thing. To be totally honest, I was inclined to agree with him - it tended to ride up which I hadn't noticed before and I was also wearing less opaque tights than I usually would. It turned into a row as he was being dictatorial rather than "friendly word in your ear" about it. I also think there was an element of jealousy in it as he accused me of dressing up for the "dirty old men" at the event. Anyway, we rowed. I went out for the day with the kids. He picked us up. We had a more civilized conversation about it later on after the kids were in bed. I figured to myself I might cut the dress into a top or something as I didn't want it to go to waste if I didn't like the look of it with the proper tights the next time.

Cut to two nights later and I go to get a different dress ready for work and it's not in my closet. Nor is the short dress. He has taken 2 of my dresses. He first tells me he gave them to charity but then admits they are in the shed. I am beyond furious and tell him so, don't get into any debate about the why he took them or anything, just tell him it is in no way acceptable to take my clothes. Tell him it's abusive, controlling etc. He apologises (which is extremely rare for him - to actually say it out loud, he's usually more the type to show he's sorry by actions than words). He says we can go shopping to get me something new. I am not mad keen on the idea - prefer to shop alone and don't really want his input anyway and certainly not him checking hem lengths for respectability in any way, shape or form. However, he is really making an effort so I go along with the idea.

However, the taking of the dresses plays on my mind a lot - it crosses such a terrible line. I emailed my thoughts on it and he agreed it crossed a line but his reply also implied some level of him believing he "had to" to get my attention as I was not taking him seriously. Bleurgh.

Then, this evening, I went to check about another dress of mine that I need to do a bit of mending on. This is a dress that would not look amiss on Kate Middleton - not that this it really matters either way, it was MY dress - and he has taken that too. He did not mention to me that he had taken more than the ones I knew about. And he did not take the opportunity to replace them in my closet in the week or so they were in the shed. In fact, there were 5 more dresses in there, including the one that needed mending. Again, not that it matters because they were MINE - but his point was about not giving the wrong idea in a work environment where there are known lecherous blokes and women who work there who dress in any way provocatively have been asked if they are sleeping with the boss - and only two of these could be considered non work appropriate.

So I am furious again but he is out so we can't thrash it out so I am here. I think he just doesn't like my style at work and think I should dress more office wearish. I disagree but that is not the big thing. The big think is that he thought it was ok to go into my closet and confiscate stuff.

So yes, there are thoughts of LTB in my head especially as there have been a few comments in the past year that have slightly struck a wrong note about his attitude to his role as husband being a controlling one. However, we have been together 11 years, married 8 and have 2 kids. He doesn't have form for this in the previous years.

And i mostly needed to brain dump as he is out so I can't dump on him right now and tell him how bloody wrong he is.

Well done if you got this far.

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ShowMeTheWonder · 24/11/2015 06:44

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TooSassy · 24/11/2015 06:53

OP.

You know this is off. We know this is off. What are you going to do?

I'm the second one going the cross dressing route
Followed by depression

Are you (in his mind) hotter than him? Not that that justifies anything.....

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HeteronormativeHaybales · 24/11/2015 06:57

Gawd, I have been itching for years to get rid of some particularly hideous clothes of dh's, but they're HIS, so I limit myself to the odd 'you're not going out like that' conversation (I should add that dh has zero dress sense - I buy his clothes, and it's fine because he is competent and independent in all other areas of life and I want him to look decent - and said clothes are really beyond the pale for anything except kickabouts in the park with dc).

This is really quite worrying, OP, as you've gathered - the sneakiness, the limitation of your choices and freedom and the treatment of your property. This would worry me particularly in combination with the comment about 'dirty old men'. It's playing into the idea of women in 'provocative' clothes being somehow responsible for men being unable to control themselves, and the implications of that would bother me. You need, obviously, to thrash this out, and find out what went through his head, but I wouldn't be showing too much understanding for his motives. He needs to know he has crossed a line - it's not LTB yet IMO, but if he crosses this line again, knowing how you feel about it, I think there would be some serious reassessing to do. Why would he not go to couples counselling?

Have reported the troll-hunting, btw.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 24/11/2015 06:58

(should add that dh's hideous clothes predate me - and we have been together the best part of 18 years...)

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 24/11/2015 07:03

Nothing wrong with opaque tights ffs!

Anyway.

OP - your OH's behaviour is strange. I also suspect it might be to do with him being out of work - he's probably feeling insecure and worried that you might be more attracted to blokes who do work (even though he now has a new job to start).
However. That is still absolutely NO excuse for him to start dictating your clothing choices, and to steal your clothes! ShockAngry

I wouldn't go shopping with him either. I can just imagine the teethsucking going on every time you looked at something that didn't fit with his view of acceptable.

Has he shown any other signs of unacceptable controlling behaviour?

Leelu6 · 24/11/2015 07:07

ChipsandGuac have reported your post for troll hunting

I love opague tights, it's winter. Hmm

OP, YANBU. Did you get the dresses back from the shed?

GingerIvy · 24/11/2015 07:10

The "going shopping together" smacks of him wanting to push his preferences of clothing on you. As soon as you got home with the "DH approved clothing", you'd notice other things missing as he decided his ploy of taking you shopping was the ideal solution. "Get rid of what I don't want her to wear, offer to take her shopping so I can steer her towards what I deem appropriate."

I'd be saying "No thanks, I have perfectly suitable clothing right here - provided of course you stop being a twat and hiding it in the shed." Hmm

LumpySpacedPrincess · 24/11/2015 07:30

Op, you're married to a controlling misogynist, not sure how you change that.

Opaque tights are fines, as are leggings with dresses. So there.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/11/2015 09:40

OMG I wear opaque tights ALL winter.
I loves them - so there!

Anyway OP - this is just, WOW!!!
It's all been said on here.
I hope you get some resolution.

firesidechat · 24/11/2015 09:47

I wear opaque tights and the shops are full of them at this time of year, so I can't be the only one.

I'm all for flagging up dodgy posts, but that seems a strange reason to doubt the op.

Micah · 24/11/2015 09:47

My mum used to do this to me in my teens - hide clothes (I'd bought with my own money) she didn't like.

She also liked/likes to take me shopping and buy me stuff- stuff she likes.

No way I'd put up with it from dh.

Pringlesandwine · 24/11/2015 09:48

The first thing my controlling H took over was my clothing and dress sense. Shortly followed by the household finances (which coupled in nicely with making me unable to buy new clothes for myself, we'd go together and he would 'advise '), what car I drove, friends i spent time with.
It was a slippery slope that I didn't even realise I was on at first.
He's now my ex H. The first thing I did when we split was get my own bank account and then go shopping.

Good luck OP. Don't let yourself go along with it all for years like I did ☺

Micah · 24/11/2015 09:54

Oh and those asking why the shed..

It means he's not actually throwing out your clothes, which would be wrong. My mum would hide them so when I asked where my dress was, she could say "oh, it's been at the bottom of the washing for ages. You haven't been wearing it, so you don't need it. Let's give it to charity"

Then effectively she wasn't getting rid of my stuff without asking me, and making it seem perfectly reasonable to get rid of something I didn't wear.

ElBurroSinNombre · 24/11/2015 09:58

Pringlesandwine;
I'm a bloke but the script that you describe sounds depressingly familiar coupled with a ballistic temper if ever any of these things were questioned. It all happens so slowly that you hardly notice until you start feeling dead inside and wonder why. Anyway like you, it's all over now and I have got my self back.
O/P - this is just the start. Classic controlling behaviour is to isolate you from your support networks either by disapproving of them (so you end up not seeing them very often) or physically moving to a place where it is hard to access them. Don't let it happen.

MerdeAlor · 24/11/2015 09:58

FFS sake people - can you all stop derailing about the sodding tights.

OP is upset and confused by the agresssively controlling action of her DH. Lets focus on that.

I can't believe that this is entirely out of character for your DH. Has anyone ever said anything to you about his controlling nature?

Onlyonlylonely · 24/11/2015 10:04

pringlesandwine I could have written a near identical post to yours and this is exactly what I wanted to say to you OP. My STBXH controlling behavior started with what I wore to work, then socially, then financial control followed when I had our first child, then gas lighting in terms of infidelity, all whilst slowly encouraging me to get rid of my few male friends, and single girlfriends! We split earlier this year, and it was my lovely mother and a few amazing friends that helped me to admit he was a controlling and emotionally abusive wanker. And they never change, unless they get help.

And now I wear what I want when I want. And spend money how I please, without having to ask permission to buy fucking tampons or two bottles of washing up liquid...or a nice short dress.

strawberryandaflake · 24/11/2015 10:12

Yup, I had an ex like that too. He threw out my high heels and kept making comments about my clothes being too tight. (I was a size 8). He also wanted me to cut my hair and dye it dark like his mum. I am so glad I am out of that relationship but I have seen on Fb that he is now married to a poor girl who appears to have done the very thing. I dumped him for. She even got married in a suit, not a dress...

Only now I can see it was mental abuse. Yours just sounds over protective and insecure. Keep talking to him, you might really get to the bottom of what is troubling him. He clearly thinks you're looking about for a better option. Has he had any major changes lately?

FragileBrittleStar · 24/11/2015 10:14

I am not sure if it is a symptom of controlling behaviour but its definitely weird. does he do it about non work clothes? I think it is connected with him not being in work - he is in some way jealous either of you or the people at work - does he do anything else odd in relation to work- ie ask you more questions about what you have done at work etc?
Also do you dress up to go out with him - or is he in some way missing out on getting the dressed up you? I would suggest he talks to someone..

(Aside I have noticed that sheer black tights appear to be more in vogue now -can't do it myself though)

TobleroneBoo · 24/11/2015 10:15

Still reading the full thread, but wanted to put in that I wear opaque tights every single day - 100 denier, sometimes even 120!

chillycurtains · 24/11/2015 10:23

Is it weird and a bit controlling...yes. LTB...hell no. Especially if he has been a good partner for so long. Why does everyone want to run away from problems. It is a red flag but just work through them and don't let him get away with it.

If it was me, we would have had a row, I would have gone through his wardrobe and taken shirts, etc that I didn't like of his and taken them down the charity shop. Another arguement would have happened but he would have understood how it made me feel to have his own clothes removed/censored. Then we would have gotten over it and moved on.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be concerned about such odd behaviour but he has tried to make amends and probably best to move on now.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 24/11/2015 10:24

Has this genuinely, genuinely came out of nowhere OP?

Or if you reflect back, is it an escalation of other controlling behaviour?

You say you have disagreed in the past, has it been around control/jealousy/high-handedness?

I am really struggling to know what to advise and think it all hinges on whether this is some moment of madness, triggered by inadequacies around not working, or the thin end of the wedge, or indeed the medium end of the wedge and it's just the first time you've noticed him crossing the line.

Boomingmarvellous · 24/11/2015 10:26

I think the major issue is that he is not in work.

It gives him time to dwell on things like your clothes which would otherwise not be an issue and to feel very insecure about you meeting another man and having an affair. Not working really affects self esteem.

I take it he is not from another country/culture?

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GruntledOne · 24/11/2015 10:26

I don't understand this idea that suitable work clothes inevitably equals suits, particularly skirt suits. IME they're generally pretty uncomfortable, and you can be just as smart in a dress, skirt and top or trousers and a smart top. But I fear that for your DH the motivation is that wearing a jacket hides your bustline and the skirt is decently respectable provided that it's not too tight and is below the knee. And also the whole thing is dowdy and won't attract men. I'd be heavily tempted to take him up on his offer to go shopping and insist on him paying for the shortest, tightest dress with the lowest cut front that you can find.