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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

OP posts:
0verNow · 14/11/2015 10:30

I'm going to tell him tonight.

OP posts:
nauticant · 14/11/2015 12:55

The charlatan is in a difficult position. He's promised your H that for £16000 you will stay in the marriage. You've now threatened that promise. If you go to the next session he will apply pressure* to get you back on track so that his promise still looks good. He will want to avoid your H demanding the money back.

You really shouldn't put yourself at the charlatan's mercy by attending another session. It will go badly for you.

  • basically he'll punish you
AcrossthePond55 · 14/11/2015 14:11

I'm glad. Think today of exactly what you want to say. Plan your words. Once you've done that, think of different things he might say to derail you or to try and nullify your concerns. Then think of ways to respond.

But remember, the bottom line is that "I am not happy. I do not love you anymore. I want a divorce." is really all that needs to be said. In the end, no one has to have any more of a 'reason' for leaving a marriage than that.

Good luck. Be strong.

springydaffs · 14/11/2015 16:34

Oh p-l-e-a-s-e don't go to the next session! You'll only get completely done over by the pair of them.

Time for YOU to step up. Please stop hoping he/they are going to step up. He/they totally aren't going to step up. It couldn't be more obvious, underlined and underlined again.

RandomMess · 14/11/2015 18:12

KOKO Flowers

iMatter · 14/11/2015 18:15

Good luck OverNow Thanks

Jux · 14/11/2015 19:35

KOKO, 0vernow. Thinking of you this evening Flowers

AcrossthePond55 · 14/11/2015 20:32

Saying a little prayer for you 0ver. Be strong.

wannabestressfree · 14/11/2015 21:45

Thinking of you....

0verNow · 14/11/2015 23:11

It's done. We both cried a lot, and it was horrible, but he accepts my decision. I'm going to sleep now as I'm drained.

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Hissy · 14/11/2015 23:13

((((((Huge hug)))))))

AcrossthePond55 · 14/11/2015 23:21

I'm glad that part is done. Sleep well

Jux · 14/11/2015 23:39
Flowers
IntelligentPutty · 14/11/2015 23:52
Thanks Well done. Sounds like you had a draining night ( and many years before that) you made a good decision. Xx
springydaffs · 14/11/2015 23:53

Oh well done! Flowers

Pandora97 · 14/11/2015 23:54

Well done. I'm sure it was really tough but I hope in time you'll be able to see that you've made the right decision. Flowers

0verNow · 15/11/2015 16:05

I'm terrified I've made a mistake. Hurt him too much for too little reason.

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CharlotteCollins · 15/11/2015 16:44

That's natural. You've only just made a very big decision. You can be aware of how you're feeling without having to act on it. That's probably the best approach for now.

If you want help keeping your resolve strong then rereading the thread is a good place to start.

Flowers
springydaffs · 15/11/2015 17:08

I think you'll find the abuse is much worse than you think - which will become clear in time, the further you distance yourself, you'll be quite shocked how bad it is. You're in the boiled frog stage - once you get out of the pot you'll see it.

He's only 'hurt' he is losing you to control. It's his raison d'etre, he doesn't know how to survive without it. Very updating for him to lose that, what at what cost to you? A very high cost indeed.

So it's either you get ground in a pestle and mortar so he can indulge his 'need' or you get out. You and dc of course, bcs it's not just you is it. Is a poison chalice for them to live in a house like this.

I can't remember if you've done the Freedom Programme? Please do! It'll wake you up from this FOG - Fear Obligation Guilt (the victim's hallmark of an abusive relationship).

Koko Flowers

springydaffs · 15/11/2015 17:10

Absolutely hate it he could be reading this. Hate your lack of boundaries, no door on your life.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/11/2015 17:15

No, no. You have been honest with him. And with yourself.

If you have 'hurt' him, then it's hurt he brought on himself by his behaviour to you. He's a big boy, he needs to deal with his own responsibility in you being unhappy and wanting out.

Remember that guilting you is the way he has always 'kept you in line'. You've now stepped out of that line, honestly and truthfully. Guilt is what he's going to use on you now to bring you back in line. Don't let him. Be strong. Stand for yourself and your own happiness. That's all you are responsible for. He's responsible for his own life, not you.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 15/11/2015 17:32

Nooooooooooo you have done the right thing OP. You have lots of big reasons, not "too little reason".

Flowers
springydaffs · 15/11/2015 17:57

Plus, men - especially men like this - know full well how to look after themselves.

It's us kind, codependent sorts who have a hell of a job protecting ourselves, knowing where we end and others begin.

RandomMess · 15/11/2015 19:55

KOKO Flowers

you need to break the unhealthy dysfunctional that you have that is based on your childhood relationships. Your dc deserve that and so do you.

Jux · 15/11/2015 20:15

Please get on to the Freedom Programme. It will really, really help you.

Stay strong, OverNow, you are going in the right direction now.