Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

OP posts:
0verNow · 11/11/2015 22:41

Still nothing. Not surprised, but am still disappointed.

I need to get passed DC1's birthday in 12 days. (Have my PILs staying from 17th to help out with a school issue.)

12 days isn't so long. (Although I will be sleeping on the floor in our bedroom as my PIL will be in the spare room, which will make it feel longer.)

OP posts:
springydaffs · 11/11/2015 23:54

Well, he IS a quack.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/11/2015 00:41

Would it be at all helpful to you to tell his parents what's going on and why you want to separate and that he isn't being cooperative? I know in your situation my MiL would have torn her son a new one, but I acknowledge that she was probably the exception rather than the rule.

I feel terrible that you feel you have to sleep on the floor. Will you be safe with him in the same room? Can't you sleep on the couch and be damned to the rest of them? Or at least go buy a small blow up mattress.

Sansoora · 12/11/2015 04:47

I get the feeling that the charlatan will reply to your husband instead of you

Yes. You just kind of know its all going to be very lopsided.

Sansoora · 12/11/2015 04:50

Over, given what you've experienced in life do you think its possible your husband was a predator deliberately out looking to marry someone he knew he could bully and abuse?

0verNow · 12/11/2015 08:28

No, I don't think so. I still don't think he's calculating, just deeply self-serving and somewhat amoral.

OP posts:
0verNow · 12/11/2015 08:51

And still not even an acknowledgement of my email. Would anyone care to place a bet on how long it will take to get his reply ((or indeed whether he will reply at all)?

OP posts:
Sansoora · 12/11/2015 09:46

OverNow - thank you.

summerwinterton · 12/11/2015 14:53

You don't need a reply from him. Why do you need a charlatan to validate your feelings? He is only in it for the dollar, he is not here to help you in any constructive or positive way. Why do you need to discuss this with him at all?

pocketsaviour · 12/11/2015 15:37

You won't get a reply. What you'll get is your email used as a stick to beat you with at the next session (to which I fervently hope you won't be going.)

summerwinterton · 12/11/2015 16:04

very much so - please don't go.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/11/2015 20:45

0ver I'm afraid you're letting yourself be sidetracked. Whether this charlatan replies or not is of no real consequence. You need to let it go. Concentrate on what you need to do to extricate yourself from this farce of a marriage.

0verNow · 12/11/2015 21:33

I was hoping he would be able to mediate when I tell H it's over - that's all. I'm (irrationally) scared of his reaction.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 12/11/2015 21:35

He's probably going to address it in the next session. And you know what he's going to do with it. Angry

That optical illusion about abusers: one minute we see one thing, the next we see something else. At the moment your optical illusion sees him as generally misguided. Sigh.

Ime of finally breaking through the illusion was: info. You have to get b&w about it. Is the only way to sanity.

As chance would have it, I am currently battling (in my heart and head) an abusive friendship. She is an alcoholic (it turns out), deeply deeply selfish, self-serving, a breathtaking user; an emotional thief, in short. I'm caught in that no man's land where it is doing my head in, causing me great distress - my head is fried. Does she knows she's doing it? I don't think so. But that's immaterial - she IS doing it, whether she knows she is or not. And it's ravaging my heart and head. That's enough. It's not my business or my place to sort her out, to bear with her, to understand why she is as she is. Its my job to protect myself.

Sansoora · 12/11/2015 21:37

I was hoping he would be able to mediate when I tell H it's over - that's all. I'm (irrationally) scared of his reaction.

If you can summon up the courage to do this alone it will be very good for you, better than having someone there with you. x

springydaffs · 12/11/2015 21:43

What I'm seeing is that you are hoping hoping hoping people are going to step up. That's powerlessness. It's what's called giving away your power. I'm not pointing fingers. Mainly bcs it's agony for you

ProfGrammaticus · 12/11/2015 21:51

Oh OP I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. Of course that makes this so so difficult. You poor thing, what a tough formative experience to have.

RandomMess · 12/11/2015 21:53

Flowers you are getting there, I know you're scared and it is difficult KOKO

Jux · 12/11/2015 22:17

Overnow, so glad you've made a decision. Well done! It's a really hard thing to do, but you've done it Flowers

The charlatan probably won't reply, as he won't approve of your decision, and he won't help you either, not in any way at all. All that quack wants is you h's money, and he will drag everything out as long as he can. The only way to stop his antics is to stop going and make it pointless engaging him. Of course stbexh can carry on seeing the plonker if he wants to.

I'm also pretty sure that your stbexh knows already, or will very soon, as I am in agreement with the people thinking the Charlatan will respond to stbexh. The one who pays the piper calls the tune, remember.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/11/2015 22:18

The thing is, this charlatan's income is based on repeat business. Multiple sessions to 'save a deadmarriage'. He has taken a great deal of money off your stbx and sees the prospects of more by continuing to 'save' what is unsalvageable. He's not going to make any money by 'mediating' you telling your stbx that it's over. That would leave him with a bit of an unhappy client, wouldn't it? And unhappy clients ask for their money back!

If you are afraid of your stbx's reaction then do have someone in the house if you feel safer. But I must ask, what are you afraid of? An emotional scene? Physical or emotional abuse? That you won't be able to withstand him attempting to browbeat you into staying? First, name your fear. Once you do, you're halfway to finding the cure for it.

summerwinterton · 12/11/2015 22:28

so you want a pretend counsellor to tell your abusive husband you want a divorce? And you want to continue joint counselling with your abuser and fake counsellor to manage that divorce? When joint counselling with an abuser is never ever recommended

0verNow · 12/11/2015 22:28

An emotional scene. Particularly one the DCs witness. We have no support so the conversation will have to be when the DCs are in bed - I fear him waking them.

OP posts:
Sansoora · 12/11/2015 22:37

Overnow, all of these things you are posting are excuses you're making in order to not have to what you have to do and thats ok as long as you recognise it for what it is and work towards being able to do what you have to do. x

AcrossthePond55 · 12/11/2015 22:40

There isn't one person you can call on to have them overnight? Or friends to schedule a playdate with? Or to take them out during the day so you and he can talk alone for a few hours? I don't know how old your children are, but if they're in school that might be a good time. But even if you have to do it at night, it needs to be done.

LindyHemming · 12/11/2015 23:02

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.