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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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amarmai · 15/01/2016 11:25

i think men do factor in how profitable it will be when making marriage decisions, so this is not a reflection on you but on him. When we go thru hell and end up wishing we had never married , except for our dcc .Of course if we had known,we cd have had cc using sperm donors and saved ourselves all this grief!Nothing lasts forever. It will get better. Have faith in yourself and your dcc.

KacieB · 15/01/2016 11:47

Oh no. That's a big pill to swallow over but on the other hand, you're right- it means you can't think "if only I'd done X or hadn't done X we'd have been fine". There was no saving it.

Sadly he will always have access to the kids and it will take a long time for them to be grown up enough to understand the real dynamics.

But life is strange ... I hope you know what I mean when I say try not to be too regretful looking back. You can't spend too much time on "what ifs" because what if (in an alternate timeline where you'd never met him) you'd been knocked over by a bus or something, or your career was knocked down by a bully or something instead.

It may well have been "better" but it could equally have turned out shit in other ways and at least now you have your lovely kids to hold on to and for. I wish you luck especially in the next few emotive months with staying strong Smile

Onwards and upwards!

springydaffs · 15/01/2016 20:08

As painful as this revelation is, it is necessary for you to go forward on a more healthy footing. He is a scam, not you - don't forget that. There a lot to learn from this - all good, solid stuff - but oh my it hurts like fuck. Xx

0verNow · 15/01/2016 20:21

I can't bear to look at him.

Fuck it, the gloves are off. Thank God for a SHL.

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0verNow · 16/01/2016 07:24

How do I get through this weekend? Please hold my hand.

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YouBastardSockBalls · 16/01/2016 07:34

So he had a very public affair, which you were oblivious to, and unwittingly helped him to smooth over?

The fucker.

Just think how much worse this would be if you found out 'cold' - if you thought it was a good relationship etc the got blindsided with it?
You've started proceedings, you have a head start and the upper hand.

Think about what you want. Is it to stay in your house with the DC? Then go for that. Do not deviate. Knock the flat/house sharing idea on the head.

You'll get through it Flowers

0verNow · 16/01/2016 07:48

At least my marriage has imploded now, when I'm still young enough to make a new life. Imagine if I'd found out all of this at 70.

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KacieB · 16/01/2016 08:47

Hand-hold Sad

This time next year it'll have all been over for some time. You'll be in your own place with your own space, and you're right;m, you've still got a whole life ahead of you.

(Also sorry if my "it have could been worse" sort of comment was a bit miscalculated the other day. I mean, it could have been, but you could say that about almost anything and it doesn't really help! I don't blame you for wishing you'd never met the creep).

RandomMess · 16/01/2016 10:21

Please arrange lots of friend and family visits at the weekends for you and the DC you need space away from him (as do the DC).

He make not like that you unilaterally take the DC all weekend but tough the gloves off - I'm sure he was quite happy to do all the weekend childcare before this!

0verNow · 16/01/2016 10:21

Not miscalculated at all. It was good to be reminded.

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AcrossthePond55 · 16/01/2016 15:17

I know it's devastating and infuriating, but now it's out in the open. And it will be even more out in the open because you have no need to keep his nasty little secret. I probably wouldn't be making phone calls just to tell people, but I certainly wouldn't be holding it back if I was talking about the reason we were splitting!

You get through this weekend by plowing forward. If you can, get out of the house with the DC. If not, treat him as that annoying mosquito in the bedroom at night. You swat at it when you can, but otherwise you try to ignore it. Can you think of activities that you can do with the children that would exclude him? Baking? Crafts?

0verNow · 16/01/2016 16:57

We've been making macarons. Banoffee ones. They look amazing. And have cream in. STBXH doesn't like cream...

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Jux · 16/01/2016 18:03

Oh dear what a pity how sad, he doesn't like cream and they have cream in? Tragedy Grin

That's how you get through the weekends. You do things with the children, you make things, you visit people, you have people over, you are busy. Then the weekend's over and you can relax.

Well done you Flowers you can do it.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/01/2016 19:42

He doesn't like cream? Well, Boo-fucking-hoo!!

Let's see, breakfast will be porridge with CREAM. Luncheon will be CREAMED beef on toast with CREAMED corn. Supper will be Roast Beef with CREAM gravy, mashed potatoes made with CREAM, CREAMED spinach and Lemon CREAM pie!!!

Repeat everyday until he runs screaming from the house!

YouBastardSockBalls · 16/01/2016 19:47

And squirt squirty cream in his face shouting 'TAKE THAT YOU CHEATING LYING FUCKER' every time he speaks to you.

YouBastardSockBalls · 16/01/2016 19:47

(.......perhaps just on your mind though)

YouBastardSockBalls · 16/01/2016 19:47

*in

0verNow · 16/01/2016 20:05

Grin You lot are great!

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0verNow · 22/01/2016 16:52

Another long, long weekend ahead Sad

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RandomMess · 22/01/2016 20:17

Flowers have you made any plans to get out and about with the dc?

0verNow · 22/01/2016 20:29

No. Every time I do, he just says "Oh, that sounds like fun, I'll come too" in front of the DCs, which makes it impossible to say no Sad.

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0verNow · 22/01/2016 20:31

On a more positive note, I now have a lock fitted on my bedroom door, so he can't steal any more of my stuff. And my passport is being replaced after reporting it lost.

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RandomMess · 22/01/2016 20:32

Can I hand you some courage???

Stop telling him!!!! Or say the DC and I are doing x whilst you stay here and get your jobs done and then exit left.

Go and visit YOUR friends or family and tell him he's not welcome.

Your DC know something is up so stop pretending you are together still, this isn't going to disappear, just rip the plaster off...

0verNow · 22/01/2016 20:34

Actually, reading back I'm not sure I mentioned the stealing.

My things keep going missing. Usually small stuff - a pack of cards I bought for DC3, a pair of knickers - but also big stuff like my passport. Which was in a locked filing cabinet in my bedroom, with the key hidden in my underwear draw. He's clearly been going through my stuff while I'm out.

Not any more.

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RandomMess · 22/01/2016 20:36

No you didn't!!! That is just creepy somehow!