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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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0verNow · 01/01/2016 22:22

The DCs don't know that anything's changed other than I now sleep in the spare room.

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/01/2016 22:38

It may be time to have an age appropriate talk with them then. They're obviously picking up on things and the things their little minds come up with can be worse than telling them the truth.

Besides, it's the last 'hurdle' in making it real for STBX. Once the children know, he has no more excuses to use to avoid moving out.

Kacie123 · 01/01/2016 22:59

Ah, sorry - yes I see!

Yes, perhaps a talk sooner rather than later would be good if possible. Maybe they're picking up some "woe is me, your mum doesn't love me" vibes rather than being flat-out asked to spy on you...

0verNow · 01/01/2016 23:00

He'll never move out. He loves his family too much (Peter Andre style).

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/01/2016 23:18

He will. Or you will. The time will come where the situation becomes intolerable for one of you or one of you meets someone else. I wish I could tell you when.

Do you think it'd do you any good to talk to his parents and tell them how miserable he's making you and ask them to intervene?

BTW- The ChristmasCarcass is back AcrossthePond Grin

Jux · 01/01/2016 23:25

You're managing, that's what counts.

Agree that any question about how much you love daddy is a disguise fors how much you love them. So you can brush aside the daddy bit and go straight for the "love you and always will" response.

I do think that the children need to know the truth now.

0verNow · 02/01/2016 05:12

I meant he won't move out until he's forced to, most likely by the finances being agreed. Or I'll move out - I don't much care which - but only at a time when my solicitor tells me it won't be detrimental to do so.

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RandomMess · 02/01/2016 10:02

Your DC do know something is up because the house dynamics and atmosphere have massively shifted.

You need to tell them an age appropriate truth. Yes they will be upset but it will also minimise the damage your STBXH can do by using them. What he is doing is cruel.

"I care about Daddy because he is your dad but being married to him is making me very unhappy" or something along those lines?

The uncertainly of not being told what is going on is probably more damaging than the upset of being told that you will be divorcing.

AcrossthePond55 · 02/01/2016 14:42

I agree with not going until your solicitor gives you the nod. Just be sure you keep him apprised of developments, especially if things start to get really intolerable. The wheels grind slowly and if he knows things are really bad, maybe he'd be able to make suggestions to speed things up, finances-wise.

0verNow · 14/01/2016 16:24

So things are pretty dire at home at the moment. STBXH is still in passive-aggressive mode. Still hasn't appointed a solicitor. Still hasn't provided his own grounds to divorce me (instead of me divorcing him). He has just over a week before I go ahead and file my own petition anyhow (which he knows).

One interesting development is that I've discovered what he's been so desperate to cover up from almost 9 years ago. You recall this bit from my OP?

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best.

Turns out he was having a very public affair with a work colleague, which turned nasty when he knocked it on the head. She emailed some very senior people out of spite. He tried to delete her emails before his bosses saw them, and got caught.

I feel relieved about it, TBH. It makes me feel better about giving up on our marriage. It was so clearly never fixable.

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RandomMess · 14/01/2016 16:54

If you were already married then and have only just found out that he committed adultery now then you can divorce him on those grounds!

KOKO Flowers

0verNow · 14/01/2016 17:07

Ha!

No, we weren't married at the time.

But we were in a committed and exclusive relationship. It was 2 months before we got engaged and co-incidentally (and accidentally) conceived DC1.

His hypocrisy is just stunning.

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amarmai · 14/01/2016 17:18

he never admits more than he is forced to and constantly revises his lying cover ups= you will never be able to trust him.He is watching for your password and user name and spying on you on mn so he can fine tune how to get around what mners are advising you. He is extremely devious and has no intention of changing for the better. He likes the challenge of making a fool of you. Your cc are watching this and learning how to do likewise.

0verNow · 14/01/2016 17:28

I do worry so very much about the DCs.

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RandomMess · 14/01/2016 17:38

What in particular are you worried about the DCs???

They will be ok you know? Far better that don't live full time with someone who is so untrustworthy tbh.

springydaffs · 14/01/2016 20:40

I understand why you're worried about your kids - the same worries had me seriously considering doing a runner abroad with my kids and so wish I had

0verNow · 14/01/2016 21:57

I'm worried about his pernicious influence on the DCs. Not the effect of the separation itself. Not anymore.

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0verNow · 14/01/2016 22:04

And while earlier I was relieved, now I'm furious. At the betrayal. At how he's been walking round like a whipped puppy when he was fucking around years ago. At the guilt trips he's loaded on me for not trying harder. At the mind games he's still playing now.

You know what? He thinks he's smart; I'm smarter.

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springydaffs · 14/01/2016 22:08

YESSSS!

RandomMess · 14/01/2016 22:09

KOKO Flowers

TBH I'd make sure his parents and all his friends now about his affair and how it nearly lost him his job...

Stop the whipped puppy act in his tracks!

AnyFucker · 14/01/2016 22:10

Thank the Lord.

0verNow · 14/01/2016 22:11

It didn't nearly lose him his job - it did actually lose him his job.

Now I wonder if he only asked me to marry him because he was unemployed and worried he was unemployable.

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Jux · 14/01/2016 23:07

Well I guess that's possible. But whatever the truth of it ( which you may never know) you do now know you have no need to think about him at all any more. He has no right to your consideration.

0verNow · 15/01/2016 07:04

I'm really hurting this morning. Our entire relationship was a lie.

Had I known, we wouldn't have the DCs. We wouldn't have married. I wouldn't have had crippling PND. I wouldn't have sacrificed career advancement for the good of the family.

Other than the DCs, who I love beyond words and would never be without, the rest is just a pile of crap.

Fuck.

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whatdoesittake48 · 15/01/2016 07:53

It isiso natural to feel that way but one good thing came from this marriage. You learned how strong you are and you discovered your boundaries. You will never let that happen again. He had taught you to trust in your instincts. That is valuable and a lesson that could not have been learned in any other way.