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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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Jux · 24/12/2015 19:04

Er, well, yes he would, he did.

Stay at your parents' place until after New Year. Have a nice time Grin

0verNow · 24/12/2015 19:43

He's doing his now-patented "kicked kitten" act. I'm struggling to be civil.

I could cope with spending Christmas here when I had the hotel to escape to, and his parents to dilute his toxic presence. Now I have neither. Thanks to him.

I fucking hate him.

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Kacie123 · 24/12/2015 19:44

Last Christmas it'll ever be like this though - keep holding on to that. Last one!

petalsandstars · 24/12/2015 19:47

I'd keep the hotel room as a sanity saving safe space. You will probably want an escape from him at some point. I'd also be tempted to speak to his parents - he may have told them not to come at all.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 24/12/2015 20:25

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Are there no depths? What kind of a person would even think of doing such a thing, let alone actually do it?

Did you let the hotel room go?

And YY to Kacie. Grit your teeth and whisper "This is the LAST Christmas I'll ever have to deal with his shit". Repeat as necessary!

springydaffs · 25/12/2015 00:10

My toxic ex did something similar - the baby was all strapped in and I was just about to leave for a long journey, all timed to coincide with baby's sleep time. The engine was running. He opened the door of the car and banged it shut really hard - baby woke up screaming. Needless to say, horrific journey. (PFB and we were hyper about not waking her. It was a code we both understood.) The look of triumph and malice on his face...

So yes he did that. Tells you a lot.

Oh do stay at your parent's!

springydaffs · 25/12/2015 00:12

At least you could say my ex did it in a moment of temper though he didn't bcs he had form but your revolving stbx planned all that and carried it through.

springydaffs · 25/12/2015 00:14

Revolting! Predictive is very prissy about negative words!

0verNow · 25/12/2015 00:40

I'll never know for sure. 8 year olds aren't the most reliable narrators. But I think it's true.

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elQuintoConyo · 25/12/2015 01:08

Sending hugs and Wine

mix56 · 25/12/2015 17:11

I am betting he told parents not to come. & that he attempted to make your car journey as tiresome as possible. don't say anything, just keep it under your belt. you will take all the power out of his actions.

0verNow · 25/12/2015 17:24

That's my plan. Rise above it.

He bought us his n hers matching t-shirts for Christmas.

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springydaffs · 25/12/2015 19:17

Zero on the style scale, for a start!

Who does that?? It makes me cringe Xmas Blush

Jux · 26/12/2015 00:30

Good cleaning, rags, crap t-shirts are. Have you anything that needs polishing? I'd get started right away, now you have the rag.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 26/12/2015 07:32

Bwwaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! Matching T shirts. Does yours say 'I'm with Stupid' and his says 'Stupid'? How about 'Mr' and 'Soon-to-be-former Mrs'?

What a Maroon!

Hope your day went smoothly and you were able to enjoy your time with the children.

DoreenLethal · 26/12/2015 08:38

What a twat.

Jesus wept. Controlling or what!

mix56 · 27/12/2015 09:44

that is actually hilarious.....sorry, Guffawed at the T-shirts !

RandomMess · 28/12/2015 08:52

I cannot believe you are even giving him the benefit of the doubt!!! Why would the DC even mention then juice if he hadn't made a big thing out of them drinking it.

Yes he will continue to stoop that low he doesn't truly love the DC they are tools to make him feel good about himself just like you are.

The T-shirt thing is hilarious though. I would make a big point of having a bonfire in the garden in front of him with that and a few other choice items he has given you as well...

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 31/12/2015 18:53

Hope all is going well 0ver and that you have a quiet, peaceful NYE.

0verNow · 01/01/2016 19:37

The Christmas holidays have been hard. I've spent much of each day in my bedroom, because I'm struggling to be around STBXH and he wants to spend as much time with the DCs as he can. I've managed to negotiate a handful of trips out with the DCs, but not as many as I'd have liked - and I'm scared he'll use the lack of time I'm currently spending with the DCs against me. I hope that it will be clear to any objective observer that it's him I'm avoiding, not them.

I'm very ready for the normal routine to kick in again on Monday.

DC2 (5) keeps asking me if I love Daddy, and how much.

I feel very sad today. I really wish I didn't have to put the DCs through this.

I'm also slightly concerned about how STBXH is interacting with DC1. He's letting him stay up very late - I think because STBXH is lonely, which I understand. But I'm not at all convinced that it's OK to "use" an 8 year old for company. I hope that DC1 will revert to normal bedtimes next week, not least because school starts again on Wednesday, as STBXH realises that leaning on DC1 isn't sustainable (and has human interaction at work to ease the loneliness). If STBXH doesn't change his behaviour with DC1 then I'm not sure what I'll do - cross that bridge if we come to it, I suppose.

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AmIbeingTreasonable · 01/01/2016 20:01

It sounds as if your h is asking your dc to ask you that question, it doesn't sound to me like something a child would ask you, worded like that. If that is the case, it's damaging for the child for your h to be using him like that. Keep notes op of all this sort of thing.

mix56 · 01/01/2016 20:15

You tell H that bed time is X hour. & he needs to keep being a responsible father even if he isn't a husband.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/01/2016 21:03

Oh dear. I think you need to focus everything you have on getting him OUT. Use his parents, yours, friends, anyone you can get to put pressure on him. Talk seriously to your solicitor. Getting him out is the key to every problem you're having.

Why do you have to 'negotiate' time with your children? You pick up your purse and keys and usher them out the door. If he says anything you say "No, it's my time".

As far as DS2, can't you tell the truth? "No, sweetie, I don't. But I do love YOU to the moon and back!" with cuddles and then distraction (a gentle 'tickle fight', itsy bitsy spider, a play-along song).

And I agree to keeping bedtime for DC1.

nauticant · 01/01/2016 22:01

DC2 (5) keeps asking me if I love Daddy, and how much.

Hmmm. Having paid nearly £16000 to get a bogus counsellor to browbeat you with this question he's now going down the cheaper route of using a DC.

Kacie123 · 01/01/2016 22:20

Well ... I guess that DC2 might be asking that for themselves - everything's changed and there's uncertainty. I think they're bound to wonder how love can stop and what it might mean for them. But the big answer should always be "we both love you and that's what matters - we're not going to live together anymore but the thing that will never change is how much we love you" sort of thing...

Agree on pushing forward - probably feels like wading through glue but keep pushing. Thanks