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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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Kacie123 · 10/12/2015 13:14

Other people will probably think differently on this so take it with a pinch of salt, but could you say something non offensive but assertive like....

"Thank you for letting me know the boys have arrived at school safely. However, I would really appreciate it if you could keep messages informative rather than affectionate going forward. I can continue ignoring it but I'm sure you understand how inappropriate it is given that we are divorcing. Many thanks, over"

Also, have you told your folks yet? Because from what you've said, if not he could use this as a weapon against you and "accidentally" tell them to hurt their feelings.

Kacie123 · 10/12/2015 13:18

Omg cross post, sorry. Well done you - how'd they take it??

nauticant · 10/12/2015 13:27

It looks like you're turning into one of those OTHER posters OP. Well done.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 10/12/2015 13:29

Glad you spoke to your folks. I have a feeling they feel relief, even if they didn't show it. I'm sure they sensed something and knowing is always better than wondering.

No reply re the text. The less you engage, the better. I still think he thinks if he ignores it, it'll all go away. At this point it makes him sound a bit 'unhinged', doesn't it?

If he's trying to show a trail of 'reasonableness', then he's failing, isn't he?

0verNow · 10/12/2015 16:25

My parents were sad and worried but think I'm doing the right thing. I didn't give them any details of why, and nor did they ask. I left if that it was my decision and STBXH is upset, that I was relieved if not exactly happy, and that I was absolutely certain that there's no going back.

Separately, STBXH has emailed about Christmas. Mostly it was reasonable.

The one exception was DC1's last birthday treat. I'd previously asked that I do it with him, as STBXH did the other treat last weekend. STBXH came back to say DC1 would prefer it if we both take him. I replied that we are separated and it's not appropriate; he replied by return to say "You were going to [do the first treat] but decided not to at the very last minute – that was not my call. If you cant manage it then so be it; we both know what DC1 would prefer"

I'm inclined to take the stuck record approach and just repeat that we're separated and it's not appropriate - or ignore him altogether. Either way, to make my own plans with DC1.

Views?

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mix56 · 10/12/2015 16:28

Bravo Over, Now you need to tell HIS parents. this is when it will seriously become real for him, as they will want to talk to him about it. I would tell him that your parents know now, so to avowing them speaking to his parents, he might like to tell them himself.
When do you tell the children ??

mix56 · 10/12/2015 16:28

avoid, sorry

mix56 · 10/12/2015 16:35

re DS treat. "There will be no more joint jolly outings, if you won't allow me to take DS as I requested then you can take him".

mix56 · 10/12/2015 16:38

& maybe add, DS will need to be told why we aren't jointly undertaking this, I am planning to tell them this w/e. I assume you would like to be part of this family discussion in order to reassure them that they are not at fault & both their parents still love them very much.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 11/12/2015 00:16

So, now he's starting to use the DC to keep you in line. "DC would prefer…"😒. That's hitting below the belt, or trying to.

Mix has it once again. "No, we won't be doing things together. You'd better get used to that now. Either I take him or you take him and I'll make arrangements for another 'treat' to take him on myself."

And yes, tell his parents. They really deserve to know, especially since you will be spending Xmas Day elsewhere.

0verNow · 11/12/2015 03:06

He's not home yet. Which isn't my problem other than he's supposed to be in charge of the DCs from 5:15 when I leave the house for work. The DCs wake any time from 6 onwards, and DC2 is always up by 6:30.

I can't go, can I?

At best, he'll have had less that 3 hours' sleep. At worst he'll still be drunk.

Should I document this somewhere? Email perhaps?

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jessicame · 11/12/2015 07:19

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petalsandstars · 11/12/2015 07:48

I really hope he got home and you left for work. If he didn't then yes document it and also look into childcare options for the future if this is going to happen then he can pay for childcare in the mornings.

0verNow · 11/12/2015 08:14

He got home at 4:15. I've done the morning shift with the DCs. He emerged at 7:45 looking rough.

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Kacie123 · 11/12/2015 08:14

What an utter arse.

Hope you managed some sleep through it all. Thanks

mix56 · 11/12/2015 08:20

yes send him text, so that you have a paper trail.
"If you are going to stay out & get drunk, please forewarn me. You have children you are responsible for."
You need to consider how you will be living with the DCs, if he can't be counted on now.
This is deliberate of course, he is "punishing" you, & is showing you it will be difficult without him, he wants you to call him...
who's money is he pissing away in the pub ?

0verNow · 11/12/2015 09:01

He's sitting next to me on the train into London, stinking of stale alcohol. He also noticed that I'm not wearing my wedding ring and let out a stifled sob. Hmm

He sent some brutal texts last night, which I'm keeping for future reference.

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0verNow · 11/12/2015 09:02

Thing is - it wouldn't be harder without him because I would have planned my day differently in advance.

And no, I didn't go back to sleep. I've been awake since before 2....

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0verNow · 11/12/2015 09:15

I've also emailed my solicitor, to start a paper trail. I honestly don't think he was fit to look after the DCs today. It's entirely possible that I could have slept through the night without realising how late (and drunk) he came home, and left for work none the wiser, leaving the poor DCs in his temporarily incapable hands. I'm so angry with him.

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nauticant · 11/12/2015 10:54

As others have said, keep all communications (incoming and outgoing) and, if you can face it, keep a summary diary of events such as this one.

ChipInTheSugar · 11/12/2015 11:01

I'm sorry OP but his 'stifled sob' made me literally laugh out loud. He really needs to hold a mirror up to his behaviour doesn't he.

Detach, detach, detach, and hang on in there.

mix56 · 11/12/2015 12:12

stifles sob, made me spit my tea out (grin)

AnyFucker · 11/12/2015 12:17

I am picturing his stifled sob was because you had your hands around his neck...

No ?

Shame 😉

DownstairsMixUp · 11/12/2015 12:29

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ImtheChristmasCarcass · 11/12/2015 14:52

"Stifled sob"…Oh brother! Did he put the back of his hand to his forehead and let a single tear run down his cheek? Phffft!

Punishing you? That may be part of it. But I think a larger part is trying to 'guilt' you into staying by showing how he's 'losing it' and 'having a breakdown'. After all, he's used guilt quite successfully on you in the past.

Your life will be soooo much easier once he's out of it. You'll be totally self reliant and have your own routine and support system for the children.