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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

868 replies

0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 14:52

I understand the 'dread'. But try to also look at it as a step forward.

Remember that you do NOT have to engage with him. Say as mix suggests, or simply say (ONCE) "I don't want to discuss this, I've already made myself very clear. Everything to say has already been said (or is written in the petition)". Remain silent otherwise. To engage with him is to give him more ammo. Don't do it.

I also second calling the police that very second if he starts to get out of hand. Keep your phone with you.

I think you really, really need to speak to your parents. They need to know now. Can you call them somehow before you get home tonight?

RandomMess · 07/12/2015 14:58
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pocketsaviour · 07/12/2015 15:04

I know very well that feeling of dread and anxiety, OP. It will pass, and you will know that part is over. There will be a series of these anxiety hurdles where you are dreading his response, but they will get lesser, and you will feel more confident about dealing with them as they come along.

Eventually you'll be free of him, and you won't have to worry about his feelings and reactions any more. It will be a beautiful moment when that sinks in for the first time :)

Are you putting off speaking to your mum because you think she'll be unsupportive? Will this bring back memories of your dad's suicide for her, do you think?

0verNow · 07/12/2015 18:34

It turns out STBXH worked from home today. And disappeared out at about 5:30. He hasn't opened his letter. No idea where he is or when he'll be back. I assume he's found this thread.

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petalsandstars · 07/12/2015 18:54

Hello stalker! Get the hint already! Angry

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 19:18

Although I hate the idea of him invading your privacy and your 'sanctuary', in a way I hope he has read this! You've made things very clear on this thread as far as why you want out and how unbearable his behavior is. Maybe seeing it written down will show him that you are serious!

But I'd say it's more likely that he saw the return address (a legal firm) on the letter, realized what it meant, and has skedaddled to avoid dealing with it.

Just breathe deep, relax, carry on your evening routine. If he calls or texts, don't answer. Go to bed at the usual time. And if he's not home when you do, put the letter on his pillow.

0verNow · 07/12/2015 19:50

He's back. Being perfectly pleasant. I've retreated to my (locked) bedroom.

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0verNow · 07/12/2015 19:51

And I'll leave the letter on the kitchen table if it's still in the post box in the morning.

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pocketsaviour · 07/12/2015 19:53

You might consider putting the letter in his hand and saying "You need to open and read this. It's the divorce petition." Because I can see him cheerfully ignoring it for days on end otherwise, meantime you're tying yourself up in anxious knots.

DownstairsMixUp · 07/12/2015 19:54

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

0verNow · 07/12/2015 19:57

The cover letter gives him 2 weeks to respond before it's filed in court - so it's to his detriment to ignore it.

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ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 21:45

IMO, he's seen the letter. He knows what it is. What else could a letter from a solicitor be, given the circumstances?

I agree, put it on the table. If he chooses to ignore it, that's his problem.

The only thing I'd do (if he hasn't read it by tomorrow evening) is to ring the solicitor and ask them what effect his ignoring it will have. Will it delay things? Will it make things more difficult? Will it make mean a default on his part? If the solicitor says it'll drag things out, then I'd shove the envelope into his hands. If it will have no effect, leave it be.

springydaffs · 07/12/2015 22:55

I'm not happy he's reading this. I could weep that your boundaries have been nonexistent when it comes to him. I hate how he has walked in and out of you at will. I hate it. Talk about pearls before swine.

Anyway, perhaps you can work on your boundaries through recovery models in the future. Bring on that day when your boundaries are closed up, no breeches. Phew.

0verNow · 08/12/2015 06:15

The letter was still in our postbox, unopened, this morning. I've left it on the kitchen table (and taken photographs to prove it was there). I'm not going to mention it again - his look out if he doesn't respond within 2 weeks.

I'm away overnight tonight (long planned work Christmas party) so I don't have to think about it again until tomorrow evening.

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GeoffreysGoat · 08/12/2015 07:28

Koko Thanks

mix56 · 08/12/2015 08:48

More games... I bet you he has seen it & is playing stupid.
well "Stupid is as Stupid does" (thank you Forrest).
If he is reading this, he knows you know, he knows....
Just call him & tell him to read the fucking letter.

0verNow · 08/12/2015 10:25

It's suspiciously quiet from STBXH today.

No "DCs all fine, hope you have a lovely day, DHx" text this morning.

And I still don't know why he was working from home yesterday or where he was between 5:30 and 7 yesterday - my best guess is that he's appointed his own solicitor and was meeting with him/her - in which case he'll be doubly pissed off to have received the draft petition before his solicitor could draft one.

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mix56 · 08/12/2015 12:14

well if he was seeing a solicitor, you are both finally on the same page.
Alternatively he was Xmas shopping ..... no point in hypothesising

Jux · 08/12/2015 12:43

Yes, he gains nothing by ignoring it, and you lose nothing. You need take no action.

His choice is to grow the fuck up and face what's coming, or to put his hands over his ears, shut his eyes and go "la la la". Not your problem, not your responsibility.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 08/12/2015 12:50

Another step in your path to peace and freedom!

Have a lovely time tonight.

0verNow · 08/12/2015 16:42

STBXH has just sent me a text saying how sad and disappointed he is, that I should have warned him, that he opened the letter in front of the DCs but held himself together, and that he still loves me.

Do I respond? My inclination is not.

My initial reaction is - what kind of idiot opens a thick envelope stamped with the name of a solicitor and marked 'delivered by hand' in front of the children, without at least considering that it might relate to divorce/separation?

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0verNow · 08/12/2015 16:46

Or am I being a completely unreasonable cow here?

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mix56 · 08/12/2015 17:02

More mind games. Have a nice evening !

DoreenLethal · 08/12/2015 17:04

Another mind game - to make you feel like you are being unreasonable. And look - it is working!

Held himself together - poor love.

My response would be 'Oh dear. Perhaps you should have opened a letter hand delivered and marked with the name of a solicitor in private, if you didn't think you could keep it together. Next time, do that'.

petalsandstars · 08/12/2015 17:10

Yay! Your initial reaction is right Smile have a good time tonight.