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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

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0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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RandomMess · 27/11/2015 10:48

How do you get on with his parents? I really think you do need to tell them and the dc so he doesn't start poisoning and lying to them.

TendonQueen · 27/11/2015 10:58

I agree with the above - do they know this is the plan? I'd ring and tell them you won't be there when they come at Christmas and why. I think it would be short sighted of you to assume he will be fair and open in his communications with other people about this.

petalsandstars · 27/11/2015 11:13

Agreed - he is happy to have you sleeping on the floor and lying to his parents all is well when they visit. Tell them yourself before he lies again..
He has a track record of lying. Why would he tell the truth now?

And be very wary of what he says to the children too.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 11:50

I have got on very well with his parents up until now. I imagine that will change, no matter what. I'd want to kill anyone who hurt my children as he is hurt.

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RandomMess · 27/11/2015 11:53

I would want to kill my child if they had treated someone the way they have treated you!!!!

Jux · 27/11/2015 13:17

You could book a hotel near your parents or brother, and spend Xmas with them. If you want time on your own, you stay in at the hotel, as you would if you were in a hotel near where you are now, and if you want to socialise, you have family close by.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 13:59

I've booked a hotel close to home, in the hope that I might get to see the DCs on Christmas Day - assuming it's not too distressing for them. (I'm taking them to my parents' on Christmas Eve.)

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definitelybutter1 · 27/11/2015 14:07

I suggest that if there is anything important to you, especially paperwork, that you do NOT leave it in the house with him and his parents over Christmas.

It may be an idea to get copies of stuff away, get precious stuff away, just in case.

Take care

AcrossthePond55 · 27/11/2015 14:31

I agree with others that say you need to tell his parents. He's doing what he's doing (not telling) because it's another way to keep you 'tied' to him, iyswim. Every step you take to live a separate life, every person you tell is another snip, snip, snip of the ties that bind you to him. He is desperate to keep those ties tied firmly. So YOU will need to take the initiative.

I'd phone them and say something along the lines of "Will miss seeing you on Xmas, but I won't be there since as you know stbx and I are separating so I feel it's better that way". I'd probably add a comment for them asking them to be sure that DH cleans up the house so I don't come home to a mess.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 14:39

I'm hesitating over emailing my SHL to send him the draft divorce petition. I don't know why.

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0verNow · 27/11/2015 14:39

It feels so mean.

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pocketsaviour · 27/11/2015 14:48

OP, it's not mean. It's the next step of what needs to happen. You've been preparing yourself for this for months (years?) now.

You're not doing this to punish him. You're doing it to free yourself and the kids from a toxic relationship. And you're also freeing him from it too.

Stay strong. Have a good strengthening Brew and get the email off.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 14:48

I'm so scared of being lonely.

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Twinklestein · 27/11/2015 14:51

Can you go and celebrate with other family or friends?

0verNow · 27/11/2015 14:57

I don't mean I'm scared of being lonely this Christmas - I'm genuinely looking forward to some time away - I mean I'm scared of being lonely for the rest of my life.

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RandomMess · 27/11/2015 15:00

It is scary and it's fine to be scared but you won't be lonely because you'll be free to build relationships with friends and others that are good and healthy for you. Being unhappily married is a far lonelier place to exist.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 15:02

I really have to stop reading the "I can't find a man because I'm past it at forty" threads.

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RandomMess · 27/11/2015 15:15

OK, get a grip!!!

Remember we are sold a myth of finding a perfect someone and feeling all happy and life is good. It's a myth.

A good relationship is lovely, but you can be just as happy without one!

AcrossthePond55 · 27/11/2015 15:20

You can be lonelier living in a bad marriage than you can ever be lonely living alone in peace. Remember that.

Kacie123 · 27/11/2015 17:04

... Well you're definitely not going to find someone new if you're still married to this bloke. At least give yourself a flying chance Over.

DoreenLethal · 27/11/2015 21:12

I really have to stop reading the "I can't find a man because I'm past it at forty" threads

OP - in the nicest possible way - please stop this. Many of us have 'found' good men in our 40s, hell my mother has a new man in her 70s. It is an insult to every woman in the prime of her life to say that they can't 'find' a man, as if that's the only thing in the world worth looking for.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 21:14

I know, I know. You're all right. I was just having a weak moment. Back in the groove now. And thank you for dragging me back to my senses.

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WanderingTrolley1 · 27/11/2015 21:15

I'm perplexed as to where you even need to ask

WanderingTrolley1 · 27/11/2015 21:16

Why, not where.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 21:23

Why I need to ask what?

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