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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

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0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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Kacie123 · 25/11/2015 20:39

Well ... You tell us OverNow.

Re-read your OP. Would you want to watch your sons marry (and stay married) to someone like that?

No one is evil incarnate but he sounds pretty awful, yes.

Kacie123 · 25/11/2015 20:43

Gosh that sounds so harsher than it did in my head, but do NOT start falling for the "it's easier to stay" feeling. Thanks

I wouldn't blame you for feeling exhausted or having doubts but seriously. Re read your list of issues with him. They sound significantly bad, yes.

RandomMess · 25/11/2015 20:45

You want to spend the rest of your life with someone who will lie to you AND thinks it's absolutely ok to lie about you and is utterly happy to financially screw you over and put your career at risk..?

TBH that sounds utterly awful and yes THAT bad.

He isn't even remorseful about the lies he's just cross that he got found out!

AnyFucker · 25/11/2015 20:54

Are you going in that direction again, op ?

QuiteLikely5 · 25/11/2015 20:58

Op was your dh the one who worked for the NHS? Just seeing if your the poster I remember

0verNow · 25/11/2015 21:32

No, not the NHS. Please help me stay strong.

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Kacie123 · 25/11/2015 21:35

We're behind you OverNow Smile

Just keep going - take one minute at a time but keep going.

This was always going to be the worst bit and a bit of you inevitably just wants to give up - like getting up in the morning and sinking back into bed.

But you really really are going to be stronger and happier at the end of this, and your boys will be better off too. Honestly they will.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/11/2015 21:35

Not bad as in 'evil'. Very few people are truly evil.

But bad as in manipulative, selfish, inconsiderate, and unkind. Yes, he is bad. And he is bad for you!

RandomMess · 25/11/2015 21:47

KOKO Flowers

It's really painful to acknowledge someone you once loved has duped and played you and that you didn't see it for so long x

Jux · 25/11/2015 22:19

OverNow, don't turn back. Did you get to speak to the children? I think he was punishing you. Of course he was. If you had had a babysitter, they would have answered the phone and you would have got to speak to them, but as ex is with them you didn't. This will be how it is with him.

You will never be sure, you will be upset and on edge, you will not be able to relax and just trust; trust that you are safe, that your children are safe, that you are enfolded in the warm and loving bosom of someone who will always have your backs, always want you to be happy, always show care. That whatever happens, no matter the reasons or circumstances, you will be in it together and that nothing will be impossible when you hold hands and face it.

That's not your ex. He's always going to look at what's in it for him, calculate how he can best get what he wants. He won't count the cost, he's not interested in how much he hurts you as long as it doesn't hurt him.

I say this quite often, but you won't meet the good one if you hang on to the awful one.

0verNow · 26/11/2015 11:24

Yes, I did. I sent him a text, so there was a record that I'd tried to make contact, and he called me back.

He hasn't yet said what his plans are for the Christmas (I told him I needed to know by the end of the week). If I haven't heard tomorrow then I'm going to book myself into a hotel.

And get the divorce petition filed.

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AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2015 14:03

Remember, you no longer need to concern yourself with him. It doesn't matter what he's doing at Christmas. Make your own plans regardless. He's exercising control over you simply by not telling you what his plans are. Take that control away from him.

RandomMess · 26/11/2015 14:50

Can you and DC not go and visit your family or friends for Christmas?

Kacie123 · 26/11/2015 14:56

I think getting a hotel booked is a good idea anyway if that's what you would like to do. Most can be cancelled again if necessary?

AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2015 14:57

Yes, I'm with Random. You need to make plans for yourself AND the children.

If you haven't, now is the time to confide in someone in RL and ask them for help to get you & the children out of the house Xmas Day.

0verNow · 26/11/2015 15:34

I've said he can have the DCs this Christmas. Our tradition is to spend it with my in-laws, which the DCs adore. I truly don't mind if he takes them to his parents (in which case I'll stay home) or if his parents come to our house (in which case I'll stay in a hotel) - but if I need to book a hotel I want to know sooner rather than later.

I couldn't stay with my parents (no room) nor my brother (no room), and I really don't want to stay with friends. I enjoy my own company.

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RandomMess · 26/11/2015 15:42

I would just ring his parents and ask the which they would prefer to do!!! I bet he hasn't dared admit to them what is going on...

mix56 · 26/11/2015 16:00

I really think telling people in RL that you have decided your marriage is over is a great way to endorse it, in your own mind, & in his mind... Once it's out in the open you BOTH have got to start facing that its real.
So Yes, why not ask in laws what they plan for Xmas ? it is probably better at their place, as it will be gentler on the kids. tell them that the kids love them & will have a great day but that you won't there as you & OH are separating.
Kick start this into reality.

AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2015 16:05

In that case, I'd take matters into my own hands (again, ignoring him) and call his parents and ask them what their plans are. Frankly, if they aren't sure I think I'd stress how much the children enjoy being at theirs because otherwise I think you'll come home to a messy house.

Don't keep asking him! You need to realize that he enjoys having you ask him over and over and will keep withholding the information to keep you on edge.

If I were you, I'd consider make a reservation now at a hotel that has the best cancellation policy. As you get closer to Xmas it will be hard to find decent rooms at good prices!

Hissy · 26/11/2015 16:47

When my dad left, my mum flew us out to the states on holiday for Christmas. Is a holiday an option?

TendonQueen · 26/11/2015 17:07

I'd employ the 'X seems best so unless I hear any different from you by I'll go ahead with that and assume you're in agreement'. Use that every time you communicate in future and his enjoyment at dicking you around is ruined because he knows you won't just sit waiting indefinitely to hear back.

Also agree with speaking to his parents yourself and booking a room ASAP.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 10:08

He's made his decision - he wants to stay at home with the DCs and have his parents come to visit.

Which is fine by me. I've booked myself into a local hotel. I'm actually kind of looking forward to it.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 27/11/2015 10:17

Has he told his parents that you've run off? Do they know you've split up?

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 27/11/2015 10:18

What I meant was is he lying / planning to lie to his parents. Pretending that you've just upped and run off abandoning the children for Christmas for no apparent reason.

0verNow · 27/11/2015 10:33

Honestly, I have no idea what he has/is planning to tell his parents, nor when.

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