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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

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0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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DoreenLethal · 23/11/2015 13:04

Ok don't stress so much over semantics.

Three properties? How would that work exactly after a divorce?

mix56 · 23/11/2015 13:04

um......its not a surprise to him is it ? That you are unhappy & nearing separation, the whole therapy fiasco has been going to for months I assume, so now you have said ''ENOUGH'', he says its a surprise, this guy is a Tosser. Tell him its not working, this trying to wrong-foot you.
You want a divorce, & it will go the way all divorces go. You separate & go on to leave separate lives other than the children connection.
QED

mix56 · 23/11/2015 13:06

live (sorry)

Kacie123 · 23/11/2015 13:06

(Ah, sorry, I think I've misread an earlier post of yours - my mistake!)

0verNow · 23/11/2015 13:15

I have no idea how it would work once we were divorced.

I suppose the home that the boys live in would continue to be shared property, to be sold once the youngest turns 18?

But that would stop me being able to buy another house of my own for 14 years, because I'd never get a deposit together.

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Kacie123 · 23/11/2015 13:22

I'm kind of imagining here as I haven't been through it - but I would guess that the only real way your kids can stay in the current house is with one of you there, the other buying a flat and the kids visiting them there. You'd have to sort out legal rights so that once the house is sold, the one living there would have enough to get their next property too. Is that right, anyone in the know?

In an ideal world I think it would be better to sell up and move to separate properties - a fresh start might help you all psychologically anyway too...

0verNow · 23/11/2015 13:26

I agree - either one of us buys out the other (and the other buys a new place) - or we sell this house and both move. Nothing else makes sense on a permanent basis.

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RandomMess · 23/11/2015 13:51

I think you just tell him that the only 2 options you are prepared to consider are:

  1. He moves out and buys himself another property and has contact with the DC there
  1. The marital home is put on the market now and sold and 2 smaller properties are purchased, his contact with the DC is still in his property.

That there is no way you will consider any sort of marital home sharing you have always been the DC primary carer and that will remain the case.

Do not deviate - those are both reasonable options and he is getting the final say so yet again he still gets some control. I think you need to press on as quickly as possible with the divorce as I can see you have to fight a decision via the courts when you do not appease him.

0verNow · 23/11/2015 14:17

Yes. I think I'm going to ask my SHL to send him the divorce petition.

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mix56 · 23/11/2015 14:40

Yes

Jux · 23/11/2015 14:58

Do, please. And don't consider other living arrangements than the ones outlined by RandomMess. Anything else is just more expensive and difficult, and very unsettling. You can't do things on a temporary basis. You know this is permanent.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/11/2015 15:59

You see how he is clutching at straws? Just like someone trying to claw their way back up a cliff after having willingly jumped off!! He is truly desperate.

He's saying that he won't be 'pushed into making a decision'. Well, guess what Buddy Boy, the courts can and will 'push you' into making a fair decision. So you, lovely, need to get the divorce filed ASAP because it's obvious that he intends to drag this out as long as he possibly can. He still thinks he can wait you out. That's why he's proposing all these scenarios where the marital home is kept intact.

RandomMess · 23/11/2015 19:50

Also ensure that your offer includes the words of "marital home for my sole residence with the dc" so he can forget any pathetic attempt to still believe he will have access rights!!!

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 23/11/2015 20:03

If it were me, I'd be pushing to sell the house. It will have so many bad memories and he will still think of it as partly his so you'll have to be very hard nosed to keep him completely out of it.

Jux · 23/11/2015 23:35

Yes, you will do yourself (and children) a real favour by selling the house. I don't know how many threads I've read about the ex pushing/barging/insisting/inveigling his way in to the house because it used to be 'his'. Cut that route of bullying off asap.

Good luck Flowers

Kacie123 · 25/11/2015 13:32

How are you doing OverNow?

0verNow · 25/11/2015 17:08

Mm. Not sure. I'm pretty certain he still thinks I'm going to "come to my sense"....

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RandomMess · 25/11/2015 17:12

He is such an arrogant prick!!!!

AcrossthePond55 · 25/11/2015 17:27

Well, he can think that all he likes, YOU know differently!

I think the main thing is to remember that what he thinks is a matter of supreme indifference to you. You don't have to spend one second of your precious time and energy worrying about what he thinks anymore.

I know it's hard to banish that piece of your 'head' that is used to paying attention to that. After years of 'what will he think' it's hard to erase that reaction. But it can be done. So, when that feeling comes over you give yourself a real physical shake (like a wet dog shaking off water) and repeat out loud "What he thinks no longer matters. What I think is all matters". Keep doing it until it becomes second nature.

Kacie123 · 25/11/2015 17:39

What do you think? Do you still feel confident?

Sadly he's not going to help you in this process, he's out for his own needs (which is natural but leaves you fighting upstream constantly...)

We're all rooting for you!

Jux · 25/11/2015 18:23

hey there OverNow. Your last post seems a bit indeterminate. Has something happened? Are you OK?

0verNow · 25/11/2015 18:32

I'm working late and I've tried to phone home to speak to the DCs and H isn't answering. When he works away I always make sure he gets to speak to the DCs (he usually works late). I so rarely work late - maybe half a dozen days in the year. It feels like he's punishing me.

I'm also worrying about breaking up their home. I'm still resolute that I don't want to be with him, but I'm worried for the DCs.

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RandomMess · 25/11/2015 20:02

Of course he's punishing you, he will pull all the stops out to keep the family façade going!!!!

Yes you will worry about your DCs but they won't be okay if you stay they are so perceptive and they will realise all is not well and use that as a model for all their future relationships.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/11/2015 20:23

From this second on you need to STOP expecting anything from him, even common courtesy. Don't expect him to answer your calls. Don't ask him to pick up milk on the way home. Don't expect any help around the house. Don't even expect him to pour you a cup of coffee.

In return, don't cook for him. Don't clean up after him. Don't pick up XYZ on the way home for him. Don't ask if he wants XYZ since you're having some. Don't do ANYTHING for him.

This serves three purposes; First is that if you don't 'expect', you won't be disappointed. Second he will soon not be around and you'll be doing it all on your own, might as well get used to it. Third is that it shows him that you aren't considering him as part of your life. Hopefully, that will reinforce the fact that you are done with him and discourage him from trying to wait you out.

He needs to 'cease to exist' as far as your day to day life. Because soon he won't be there anyway.

0verNow · 25/11/2015 20:28

Is he really that bad? Really?

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