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How could he - no forgiveness

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CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 26/10/2015 01:26

I had a terrible childhood, being on tenterhooks as to what mood my father was in and whether he would get angry with me and hit me black and blue, not to mention all the psychological and emotional abuse, and my mother constantly explaining it away and not protecting me in any way. Thing is he was/is a highly respected academic and I come from a very middle class family so nobody ever suspected, and EVERY SINGLE incident has always been explained away or trivialised, so I found myself blaming myself for making a mountain out of a molehill. My life has been dictated by my childhood experiences and I've been through a hell of a lot of counselling and antidepressants to get to where I am.

Anyway, I though my dad had mellowed in his old age and that my coping strategies had gotten me to a stage where we could spend reasonable amounts of time together without major issue. It did t even occur to me that he would turn on anyone other than me. Until tonight.

We (7 yo DD, DH and I) came up for a few days for 1/2 term, this evening DD was watching something on the iPad upstairs on my bed, I'd just left her to come down to see DH when dad went upstairs, saw DD on the iPad and told her to go downstairs for dinner. DD, I believe, did her usual "just 30 seconds to see this bit" (she's a pickle and often difficult to manage, there's no denying it - but no behaviour is excuse for his actions) and dad lost it ... I heard the shouting from downstairs and recognised the manevolant, out of control, tone coming from him. By the time I'd got out of my chair he'd pushed her 1/2 way down the stairs and had his hands around her throat (yes his HANDS around her THROAT). She was hysterical, I grabbed her and screamed at him to get his hands off my daughter, he eventually did when I dragged her off him and I took her away clinging to me, dad immediately went in to "dinners ready are you just going to let it go cold" mode whilst DH was trying to persuade him to just leave us be whilst I consoled DD and stopped myself from launching myself at him. When he realised I wasn't just going to submit and let him get away with it he stormed out of the house. Next thing we had the vicar from the local abbey knocking at the door as dad had walked in and said he was going to sleep on a bench all night (if so why did he feel the need to go in to the abbey and tell her that? Classic emotional blackmail ... I should be used to it), my mum said it's his house he can come home so I said we'd leave - which we did.

So here I am, lying in a hotel bed next to my (wonderful, supportive) DH with DD in the bed next to us (she's OK, although understandably thinks her grandfather "is a mean man").

I have considered going NC in the past but I've been so programmed to believe the party line of "ah it's just him, but what can you do, if it wasn't for you doing X he'd have never reacted like that" that I've always felt too guilty. But you lay a fucking finger on my child and that is it - he no longer exists as far as I'm concerned. He's lucky I didn't call the police.

There's no real reason for me posting here other than DD and DH are sound asleep and I am lying awake with everything going round and round my head. Just needed to vent really.

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CuteAsaF0x · 28/10/2015 08:44

Ps, just agreeing with others to go to the doctor and to the police. When my x tried to strangle me, and wrestle me to the ground, and hit me, I did have bruises and marks but later on, his mother and he seemed to use the fact that I hadn't gone to police or to the doctor as "proof" that I was a fantasist. My x too, he knew what he'd done to me and he stood there sneering at me with his mother about my lies.

CuteAsaF0x · 28/10/2015 08:44

So tell the police while it's all still fresh in your head, and before your parents have totally bought their OWN lies.

Lweji · 28/10/2015 08:46

She has gone to the police. Do keep up

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PassiveAgressiveQueen · 28/10/2015 13:26

Oh fuck off with the snippiness
no circular threads because people don't keep up are really annoying, people encouraging the OP to do what she did 10 pages ago

PrimalLass · 28/10/2015 13:48

Write it down so that you never minimise it. Get a diary tomorrow and write this down.

Surely posting on this thread is writing it down ...

OP, you have done the right thing going to the police.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 28/10/2015 15:11

DB is being a rock and is currently sitting downstairs with DD helping her finish off her half term project, he himself has suffered significantly due to our parents actions and has had mental health problems for many many years - it's bringing up a lot of memories for him too.

When we were having breakfast this morning DD said to DB "did you know that my grandpa strangled me?" - it broke my heart, she was so matter of fact about it, but I worry that she has been/will be affected by this much more than she is letting on (she is so bubbly and energetic that it's sometimes hard to see how she's really feeling).

To those of you that so kindly offered money towards our IVF - that is just so incredibly lovely of you, it really touched me that you would even offer. But I wouldn't feel right taking money from any of you - you've all done so much (with a couple of exceptions) and are bolstering me through the most difficult of times - and that is more than enough. But again, thank you for such a lovely offer.

Please don't worry about me minimising it - it is a very different scenario to when the abuse was directed towards me; this was my daughter ... my child ... and when I visualise the event in my head I am just as angry as I was at the time. It's different when you actually witness it happening rather than being the victim yourself - you see the severity of his actions whereas when it's you being hit or hurt in some way (especially by the person that is supposed to be your protector, namely your parent) although you're the one feeling the pain/fear, the control they have on you as a child allows them to minimise/normalise it - do you get what I mean (I am waffling a bit!)?

It's also acted as a bit of a lightbulb moment for me with regards to his treatment of me as a child/teen - it's made me realise that it wasn't right, it wasn't acceptable and it was abuse (I'd hardly been able to refer to it as that before for fear of being ridiculed or laughed at up until now - not really even in counselling).

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YellowTulips · 28/10/2015 15:36

Whilst you might be distancing from your parents it's lovely to hear how this awful event is pulling you, your DD, DH and DB together as a family.

It also sounds like it's crystallising a lot of feelings from you that will hopefully help you move forward with an understanding that your father, with your mothers enablement treated you very badly.

I think it's a good sign that your DD is talking openly about what happened. Yes it's heartbreaking to hear, but it does suggest she's not internalising the event and knows she's now in a safe, secure and loving environment where it's understood that she has no blame for what happened and people around her who when it mattered kept her safe.

Have you managed to speak to DD's father yet? I'm sure that would be/was difficult but I think he does need to know.

Best wishes Thanks

Seeyounearertime · 28/10/2015 15:37

Been watching the thread a little, have the police done anything?
What are / can they do?
I'd send youna lovely internet cookienof I could OP, with chocolate sprinkles. :)

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 28/10/2015 15:48

Thanks for the cookie Seeyounearertime :)

They are doing things, there is a timeline due to having to appoint suitable staff to interview DD (due to her age). I hope you understand that I don't really want to go in to details as to their exact actions but be assured that the ball is definitely rolling.

I'm speaking to DD's dad this afternoon when I see him face-to-face.

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K1mberly · 28/10/2015 16:03

Well done cuppa, you are coping as well as anyone could in this situation .

I'm glad to hear your brother is a support. I'm wondering if he's had counselling too or if he would consider this ? I can appreciate this will bring back difficult memories for him too .

What you said about seeing it differently when it's someone else makes complete sense BTW

I think it's good ( although distressing for you ) that your DD said to her uncle " my grandpa strangled me ". Because she clearly sees it as his fault - something bad he did to her . I'm guessing that you as a child told no one , because you were ashamed at being such a " bad child " who made their own " wonderful" father become so angry .

I can't stress how important it is for her that she understands that it's not her fault AND that you will keep her safe from him in the future .

Also that anything that happens to her grandfather is a decision for the police and other adults , it's not her fault in anyway . Nor is it her job to worry about it .

I'm sure you know that childline offer a free confidential service to children like your DD. she can call them anytime .

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 28/10/2015 16:24

Funny you should mention childline - we have their number on the noticeboard and coincidentally just before we went away I was reminding her that she could call them about anything - even if she didn't want to tell me.

Re. my DBro - he has mentioned that he may speak to his doc about getting some more counselling (he has had years of counselling/therapy but obviously this has resurfaced feelings that need to be addressed). The fantastic woman at the NSPCC gave me the details of the NAPAC (national association for people abused in childhood) who I may get in touch with at some stage as my own counselling finished over a year ago. I will be taking advice regarding DD's needs as well - I know she was only exposed to one incident but want to make sure she gets all the support she needs.

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Lweji · 28/10/2015 16:31

When we were having breakfast this morning DD said to DB "did you know that my grandpa strangled me?" - it broke my heart, she was so matter of fact about it,

It's heartbreaking, but you know what? It's great that she feels safe to talk about it, that she does talk about it and she is matter of fact about it.
She is not keeping it a secret and she is not minimising it. Chances are she won't be much affected by it, because you are dealing with it and she knows that he is in the wrong, not her.

You are doing great.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/10/2015 16:31

It's different when you actually witness it happening rather than being the victim yourself

Especially when it's your precious child it's happening to, no?

In view of the appalling childhood you had, frankly I'm overcome with admiration for the way you're all pulling together on this - and your little girl's willingness to talk shows the wonderful, secure background you've provided for her

Obviously you'll all wish this had never happened, but you know what? I'm absolutely certain that you're all going to come through it just fine [flowers}

Seeyounearertime · 28/10/2015 16:33

I hope you understand that I don't really want to go in to details as to their exact actions but be assured that the ball is definitely rolling.

I'm glad the ball is rolling. Details don't matter. :)

petalsandstars · 28/10/2015 16:51

Does DDs dad know what happened to you as a child? I am assuming so, so hopefully he'll be supportive of actions/counselling for her if needed.

YellowTulips · 28/10/2015 16:56

The OP has already said she's speaking to the ex later today, face to face.....

mathanxiety · 28/10/2015 20:12

I hope you are feeling less anxious about DD talking to the police since officers with specific training will interview her.

I also hope you will return to counselling -- maybe NAPAC can refer you?

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 03/11/2015 11:44

Thanks mathanxiety.

I am feeling less anxious about DD, she still refers to what happened and I am continuing to assure her that it wasn't her fault and that she doesn't have to worry about grandpa hurting her again. The police have asked that we don't encourage her to talk about it for the time being as they want her memory of the event to be hers rather than influenced by our own (which I understand) but it's very hard.

Things are still rolling with the Police and I had a chat with the DC in charge on Saturday, but things are moving albeit slowly.

I am personally having pretty hard time of it - there are so many emotions (from anger to sadness to guilt and back to anger again) which I am finding difficult to deal with. My mother is contacting me by text and acting completely normal (speaking about completely trivial things), so far I've avoided her as I don't want her (and therefore him) to know about the police involvement until they visit them and I cannot bring myself to act/speak to her normally until such time.

So we're in a state of limbo at the moment.

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CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 03/11/2015 11:45

and yes I'll contact NAPAC.

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elizalovelace · 03/11/2015 13:00

Please in future protect your child from this man.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/11/2015 13:20

I know the wheels of justice grind slowly but could you explain to the police that you are having problems 'dodging' your mother and you're afraid if you keep it up they may cotton on to what's happening, and ask that they speed things up?

I think counseling for you is an excellent idea.

Happyminimalist · 03/11/2015 13:25

Well done OP

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 03/11/2015 13:40

elizalovelace - this man no longer exists in our lives

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Leeza2 · 03/11/2015 13:42

Give her a break Eliza , this is a very difficult situation for the oP .