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Just found out his friend isn't just a friend!

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binders1 · 06/10/2015 15:44

Hi, first time starting a thread so a bit nervous tbh but will try to be brief. Over the years, we have gone out for dinner/lunch maybe once/twice a year with OH’s long term female friend from college days and her DP. Sometimes he meets her by himself. I have no problems with this… until now.

I’ve never warmed to this ‘friend’ but her DH is lovely. Call it woman’s intuition, I always find the occasions a bit…weird. She always has to sit next to OH, she pretty much only speaks to OH even ignoring her DH and if OH goes to the bar, she has to follow him. I spoke to OH about her behaviour and said I found it all a bit inappropriate and embarrassing, particularly for her DH and he said I was being ridiculous. I told him I even looked under the table at one point to see if she was playing footsie with him! I asked if he had ever been out with her and he laughed and said no! I told him it just doesn’t feel right.

The other day I was in the loft and came across a bag of letters etc belonging to OH and he has kept loads of handwritten notes and photo’s of old girlfriends. Then I found several photo’s of a woman in provocative poses and some topless. On one, she is about 18 yrs, another where she looks is in her 20’s and one probably in her 30’s and I saw love letters from when they were younger. The face although ages, is undeniably the face of this woman.

So she's someone OH has been sleeping with on and off for decades and I can’t believe I have been going out and having dinner with her and they sit across from each other with their little secret! I am annoyed he hasn't been honest with me from the beginning that she is an ex and I have no wish to continue having our little unenjoyable get-togethers! AIBU? Sorry, that wasn't brief was it.

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Mermaidhair · 12/10/2015 20:48

I like the sound of your sister. Also remember with his family that they will still want to support their son. I hope they will be angry with him and support you %100, but they may feel that he needs at least someone in his corner. I don't have much advice on what to tell your son. Mine were babies when I left my ex. You could let him know that you both still love him very much, and let him know you are still a family. You aren't going to be able to tell your ds the real reason you are splitting, but you could say you don't love each other anymore. Make sure you tell him that there will be changes (make it sound exciting) and let him know if things that won't change. He may be worried about still seeing dd and his family. Remember to kids think funny things, so make sure he knows he can ask you questions anytime. You parents reaction was completely normal. I'm glad you will have their support.

whirlybird42 · 12/10/2015 20:51

My youngest is 8 now. Xh had his affair in plain sight when he was 2 and my eldest was 4. It was excruciating. They're still together now. Tonight ds asked if daddy could come for a sleepover. We still appear amicable in front of him but I wonder if that confuses him more.

All you can do is tell your ds gently but honestly that you won't be living in the same house any more but reassure him that you still both love him and he'll spend time with each of you. Be clear and spell it out.

I maintained a brilliant relationship with the ex in laws but it took a few months to settle down. I still don't talk much about him with them to avoid any potential awkwardness.

I think you're being incredibly strong. It's a horrible thing to go through but I promise you do come out the other side. I would hate to still be married to xh.

wannaBe · 12/10/2015 21:09

"There is something I haven't asked. How do you tell your child/children that mum and dad are splitting up and are not going to all be living together anymore. What things did you say, what words did you use and how did they respond and adjust. My DS is 8." when me and xh split we had the conversation relatively casually, what I mean is we were all in the lounge and me and xh had already decided that we were going to tell him that weekend as xh wanted to go to his parents for a few days in the holiday and wanted to take ds with him. By that point I was already sleeping in the spare room so we used that as an in into the conversation iyswim, and told him that "you know that I have been sleeping in the spare room, well you know that sometimes parents don't stay together, like l at school's parents aren't together any more?" and at that point ds just asked straight out whether we were splitting up and we confirmed it but also reassured him at the same time that we both still love him, and that he would still be seeing either of us whenever he wanted, would spend half his time staying with me and half with xh but that actually I would still be taking him to/from school and he would come to me after school still etc.

The reasons why aren't IMO to be shared with dc unless e.g. one is moving straight in with someone else creating a subject which can't be avoided. in our case we just said that we like each other and love ds the same but that we don't want to be married to each other any more.

He was upset but actually I stayed in the house for a further five months because of waiting for new house to go through, etc, so he had time to get used to us not being together etc, to doing things with us separately and so on, and so when me and him eventually moved here the transition wasn't too hard.

Also at the time we were fairly amicable, although we did argue over things but in general kept ds away from such things, and when I moved out we stayed amicable for a time - well really until we both met new partners at which point xh became less willing to communicate.

DS was about a month away from his tenth birthday then.

what I would say is:

If you're able to tell him together and reassure him that you both still love him and that your relationship with him won't change he can be reassured that this is about the adults and not him.

Try to work out what you want to do re access before you tell him, although things might change as time goes on (my ds was 50/50 between us but that has changed to him spending most weekdays with me and eOW with xh, although he spends nights there in the week on a more ad-hoc basis now). But in the beginning ds will benefit from being reassured that he will see you both e.g. every other weekend and some time in between (for instance, if you go for a 50/50 arrangement.

The more you can present a united front, the better it will be for him. I realise this may be difficult given your xp's reluctance to split, but it's worth pointing out that this will be in ds' best interests to deal with the split as well as possible. If need be I would suggest going to mediation to reach agreement over this before talking to ds.

Children are resilliant, it is upsetting for them but often what is the most upsetting is the way in which it is handled rather than the fact that it happens - iyswim. Overwhelmingly children want to be secure. If they know that you both love them then they will be reassured that that won't change. One of the overwhelming things I've read about is children being affected not so much by the divorce but by their parents' attitudes to one another during and after the process.

hth

binders1 · 12/10/2015 21:40

Thank you wannabe, Whirly and mermaid - that definitely helped.

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WorzelsCornyBrows · 12/10/2015 21:52

I remember when my DM told me (aged 11), it was upsetting, but she reassured us enough that it certainly didn't feel like the end of the world. Just make sure he's kept out of any bad-mouthing by family/friends and he will be fine. He will understand when he's older and until then you just have to go the extra mile to make him feel loved and secure. Your ex needs to do the same. He needs to get to a place quickly where he accepts that the relationship is over and his duty now is to his son, not himself. Telling your friends and family is the best way to achieve that, you're showing him you mean business.

HellKitty · 12/10/2015 22:27

My XH used to tell them he was working. Which left it to me. I told DC1 (then 10) that we both loved him and the other two but we didn't love each other anymore. He got a little bit upset. The next day he asked if we'd ever get back together, I said 'sorry, no'. He said, 'good as I would run away if you did'.

Hopefully your partner has a better relationship with DC! You need to agree on no bitching, blaming or sniping in front of DC. I know you wouldn't but he might.

bessiebumptious2 · 12/10/2015 23:33

He said, 'good as I would run away if you did'.

My 3 stepdaughters just said this weekend that they would be really unhappy if their mum and dad got back together (we were talking over the dinner table about another friend of theirs). They genuinely see both parents being happier apart and wouldn't want things to be any different (the 2 youngest are now 17, eldest 20).

They've talked openly about when their mum and dad told them about separating. Eldest went to her room and said nothing, one screamed and was inconsolable for a couple of hours until she digested it and the other one just asked loads of investigative questions but was quite pragmatic. Not one of them wants to change the status quo (although I'm sure they just wish for parents who got along in any case). But the key point is that they are happy and secure regardless.

binders1 · 13/10/2015 09:42

It's really not something I'm looking forward to.

Just to give an update.. sister now knows. I was waiting for DS to go to sleep and then was going over to hers but just before I set off, I saw some headlights turning into my drive and saw her car and thought - oh shit!

I went outside to meet her, saw her face and just crumpled and said "you know don't you?". She hugged me and told me that dad had beaten me to it. She said what do you want to do, do you want to go somewhere for a drink, go back to mine or go inside? I said I didn't want to go out anywhere and just having everyone staring at the person crying in the corner, but I didn't want any trouble either - so she came in.

OH came into the kitchen to see who it was and his face just dropped, when he saw her. He got his car keys and said "I'm going out". She then turned and said something along the lines of "You'd best take some clothes with you then and don't come back you f.....g cheating w..ker! You wouldn't be safe going to sleep if you were in the same house as me. You've never known what the word family, father or partner means and you've just lost the best thing that's ever happened to you. Go on, jog on tosspot, she's better off without you and practically slammed the door into his back on his way out.

I hadn't told him anyone knew yet, so thought he would start when he came back but he must have come back really late because I never heard him come back in and I heard him get up earlier than me and leave for work.

Sister says I can move in with her immediately but is adamant I shouldn't have to and that I need to also tell OW DH. BTW, she read the whole thread and thought it was incredible. Said she had heard about mumsnet but didn't know it gave support like that. She snorted and nodded through the comments and said a lot of you are right 'up her street'. She made me laugh when she said 'hey look at this, some say they like me. This is amazing".

Next step is to tell his parents (still not sure about OW DH, sometimes I'm seconds away from calling him and then I stop myself). I've given myself til the weekend and no later to either move in with sister or he leaves.

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binders1 · 13/10/2015 09:44

Feeling strong this morning!

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Sansoora · 13/10/2015 09:45

I love your sister!

ocelot41 · 13/10/2015 09:47

I love it that your sis is leading the vanguard of binders army! Jog on, toss pot. Superb! Wink

miaowroar · 13/10/2015 09:48

KOKO Binders - wish I had a sister like yours!

Sansoora · 13/10/2015 09:49

And a big hooray to you feeling strong today.

I just love it when my lot have each others backs. I can practically see them growing taller and stronger in front of my eyes. And its like what they say - they can fall out with each other but no one, absolutely no one, had ever do the dirty on a sibling.

Phoenix0x0 · 13/10/2015 09:54

She sounds fantastic

binder I'm so happy that you are feeling stronger and are getting some RL support.

As far as STBXPis concerned.....it looks like he was blindsided Grin (poor didums)....he did not expect you to tell anyone as he feels that he is the one in control, he sets the tone and you are to do as you are told.

Phoenix0x0 · 13/10/2015 09:56

binders the jog on tosspot should your mantra....if he tries to speak to you....just say that one line!

binders sister.....major of the binders army

HellKitty · 13/10/2015 10:01

I'm shaking my Pom-poms for your sister!

Ohfourfoxache · 13/10/2015 10:16

You and your sis absolutely rock Grin

Get in and tell his parents what an utter wanker he is - spread the news far and wide, keep your strength up and ride this god awful wave. You can do this, you're bloody strong and you have right on your side x

MissBattleaxe · 13/10/2015 10:19

Maybe you could give your sister OW DH's number? She's putting out fires everywhere this week.

I know it's not the DH's fault but I doubt OW or your exOH is going to tell him and its unfair to be the only one out of four who doesn't know. It's not really your job either TBH as you have enough on your plate, but maybe your amazing sister will help?

Fratelli · 13/10/2015 10:22

Your sister sounds amazing! So pleased you've got such a great support!

sadwidow28 · 13/10/2015 10:32

You are doing really, really well binder. I am in awe of your strength.

I am also shaking pom-poms for your sister. It sounds like she said everything you would have liked to say but because you are keeping things calm for DS, you are biting your tongue.

The dynamics between you and STBEX will alter now that he realises that you have told your family. I am convinced he was harbouring some hope that he could win you round and it would all go under the carpet. That's the reason he wouldn't move out - he knew he would lose his power base (and any opportunities to persuade you).

Good luck with telling his parents. I am hoping that they join the binders army and help to put pressure on the poor-excuse-for-a-man to get out of the family home to give you some peace.

Now, don't forget that you still hold the Ace card - telling OW's DH. Try not to hit that speed-dial button just yet as it may be your leverage to get him out by the weekend.

Take care Flowers

LyndaNotLinda · 13/10/2015 10:32

Your sister is ace - she makes an excellent army lad you're feeling stronger this morning.

I think shit just got real for tosspot. Good

acatcalledjohn · 13/10/2015 10:37

Been lurking with ever increasing agog at your ex-Twunt and his floozy's behaviour, and would like to say:

Binders, you deserve so much better than this excuse of a partner & father. Fabulous to see the support you have on here and, more importantly, in RL. Your sister rocks.

Inertia · 13/10/2015 10:39

I think your priority now should be how you are going to raise this with your son. Now that family members know, he will start to pick up on conversations and the general atmosphere. If you leave it to his father, he will probably just tell him that you are an evil witch who refused to marry him and is trying to throw him out of the house.

While you don't want to drag your son into mudslinging, an age-appropriate version of the truth can reassure the children that it's not their fault , it's between the adults (e.g. Daddy has another girlfriend so Mummy and Daddy can't be together anymore but we will always both be there for you ).

binders1 · 13/10/2015 10:40

Thank you Binder Army.

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Snapespeare · 13/10/2015 10:42

get in and tell your inlaws. When i found out my ex was having an affair, i thought it was his responsibility to tell his parents, as it was his action that led to our break-up. He eventually told them. They took me out for a walk to the park with the DCs and said something along the lines of 'no mater what has happened, we'll always think of you as our DiL. years later it comes out that he had told them that I was fucking around on him and the relationship had broken up because he had caught me out (all lies...) and he had sought solace in the arms of OW, who according to him hadn't been OW until I had broken his mean little stunted blackheart.

PiLs, to their credit, had been wonderful to me, even when they thought me to be a slapper. This all happened 15 years ago and they have been amazing grandparents and very supportive to me.

Please dont let your weasel ex paint you as the bad person in this. get to them before he does, tell them the facts.

and i wish i had a sister like yours too. :-)