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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
sebsmummy1 · 18/08/2015 09:01

Would I have another child if my partner wanted one and I didn't?

It really would depend on the reasons I didn't want one. If it was because my body had taken a huge battering with the first and I could potentially suffer long term harm by having another then no, I probably wouldn't. If it was because logistically it was easier to stick to one then I would need reassurances that certain things would be in place to facilitate another child. Whether that be more help or bringing in extra money in some way.

It's always going to be easier for the partner who prefers to keep the status quo than it is for the partner who desires change. The problem will be that this is and will remain to be the elephant in the room. If the OP has a vasectomy I think it will be the final nail in the coffin. If his wife is mid thirties and remains with the OP she is going to watch the last years of her fertility ebb away and if she still longs for a child my god the resentment is going to be palpable.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 09:02

What Untred said. Exactly.

OP - your wife is going over and above the call of duty to help you be a good parent and not only do you not appear to appreciate it, you are actually using it against her.

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 09:04

Christ on a bike, what insane people this thread has drawn out. I agree with every word raininginbaltimore said.

This guy works full time, has an older disabled child, and a wee one to provide for. Mate, you're doing better than me. I have one child, he's NT and starts school soon and I am DONE. My resources of energy are at their outer limits and thanks god we live in a world where I can say no thanks, I'll stop at one.

Anybody would think that only children were like waifs from a Barnardos advert ffs. My DS is very happy, healthy and socially adept. It is not an act of cruelty to deny a child a sibling.

Nor does a second wife have to have everything a first wife does - logic kind of dictates that the first wife has now got a new partner and that any decisions they make as a couple have shag all to do with the OP or his new wife. If they can provide for three kids then that's their business.

Saying no to more children is sensible. Christ, how many threads are there on here by women in desperate straits, unable to cope with the kids and all the other pressures in their lives. Nobody is allowed to say 'why did you have them' but surely we can allow somebody who already feels stretched to breaking point to recognise that, and stop with the procreation? Kids aren't a right. You have to be able to cope with and provide for them, and I personally detest the MN line that women should have as many kids as they want and then worry later about the reality and practicalities of life when having to pay for them and look after them.

Lweji · 18/08/2015 09:04

because you contribute more than you have to to your previous family

Surely his previous son also became her family, and his needs and costs are greater than another child. The op is doing the right thing and she knew this by the time she got married.
The income of the other family is irrelevant, he has financial responsibility for his son.
If she resents that, I wouldn't want to be married to her.

QuiteLikely5 · 18/08/2015 09:05

The reasons for you not wanting another child are imo not relevant here. You don't want another and you should not have another. Children are a massive responsibility as you well know.

Yes you were wrong in your earlier discussions with your wife but own that. Tell her you made a mistake. Ask her how you can move forward from this.

kaftanlady · 18/08/2015 09:06

OP your objections to having a third child are practical.

Why don't you spend some time with your wife seeing if there are practical solutions that would make it doable, instead of writing off the idea completely?

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 09:06

No, Sorry Yonic - it's because it trivialises his wife's 'want' - like his Can't trumps her Want.

As I said, there is a lot going on here - nothing to do with a baby as such... Far more to do with the the OP expecting his own way without ever actually communicating or discussing it with his partner.

I am not - for one second - saying that someone should have a baby against their will and I know (I terminated a baby at my husband's demand) just how harrowing that can be. But, this OP has lead the new wife a merry dance, presumably because living with her is more comfortable than without.

sebsmummy1 · 18/08/2015 09:07

Bully for you Morris, you are happy with your family set up, it works for you, good stuff.

The OP has said his wife is not happy with the decision that has been made for her so not really the same as your situation is it.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/08/2015 09:08

Often MNers rail against the selfishness of an NRP having further children and reducing CM!

The ONLY thing that OP has done wrong is not being honest as soon as he knew. If he doesn't want another child for any reason then that is his prerogative. Just as it is hers to leave him to pursue a new relationship.

He's willing to have a vasectomy and take responsibility for his choice. Again, something MNers often call for if there's a difference of opinion on contraception.

BifsWif · 18/08/2015 09:09

Bathtime give it a rest. You've been digging at the OP since last night and I'm yet to see you give any actual advice.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/08/2015 09:10

"OP has lead the new wife a merry dance"

In what way? It sounds like he has struggled with the decision not maliciously rubbed his hands and laughed.

OP, I suspect you've got all the value you are going to from this thread and I wish you and your DW luck.

BathtimeFunkster · 18/08/2015 09:10

Often MNers rail against the selfishness of an NRP having further children and reducing CM!

But he has already done this, when it suited his own ends.

Now that he has the wife at home subsidising him, and the second child, suddenly doing that is outrageous Hmm

exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 09:12

...and what happens if they have this important second child, and split up anyway?

...or if OP agrees to try for a second but it doesn't happen?

...or if they split up, but OPs wife doesn't find anyone to have a second child with?

...or if they have a second child and the siblings hate each other?

too many variables. OP doesn't feel he can cope with a second child, his feelings are valid. OPs wife wants a second child, her feelings are also valid. Neither is 'worse' or less reasonable than the other. But ultimately one person will have to overcome their feelings and go with the 'practical' reasons if they are to move on.

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 09:12

Can't trumps want every time when it's about bringing another life into the world. The person who doesn't want another child always has the veto, that's just how it works. No child should be born to a reluctant parent.

wannaBe · 18/08/2015 09:12

I think it's fair to assume that bathtime is projecting her own agenda and issues on to this thread since her posts have no actual bearing on anything the op has said.

StonedGalah · 18/08/2015 09:12

OP you are getting a hard time here but if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. your wife not wanting a second dc but you wanting another) the outcry would be huge.

It's a disappointment your wife will have to get over, or she'll have to decide if she's going to go elsewhere. My DH always said he wanted 3 dc. We are due dd2 soon but there is a 4.5 year gap as I wasn't sure I could go through it again (yes, even after having initially agreed that 3 dc sounded like a good number)

And yes I think your can't does trump your dw want. I can surely have another dc but I can't handle the thought of another pregnancy and birth. Does that mean I should go with a dc3 as it's only a can't against my dh want?

FWIW, DH is 100% onboard and we have both decided now that 2 dc is enough for us.

BathtimeFunkster · 18/08/2015 09:13

My advice is: stop lying about what you've done to her, and understand that she might well feel used (because she has been) and decide to leave.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/08/2015 09:15

He works FT, she works 3 days. In what way is she subsidising him?

Quite possibly the ex wouldn't have had a third child without the inheritance. Perhaps if OP got an inheritance things would be different. But they aren't.

I'm leaving the thread now as I've disagreed with you before, BF, and it's a thoroughly unpleasant experience. Try not to forget that there's a real human, doing his best and making some mistakes, at the other side of the thread, eh?

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 09:15

Blimey, the logical gymnastics to make the baby wanting woman the winner. It's his body, if he wants a vasectomy he doesn't have to consult anybody. If he didn't want a vasectomy he'd be slated for leaving her with the responsibility for contraception. Men who don't want more kids literally cannot win on MN.

exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 09:16

That's not advice Bathtime. That's just words.

Lweji · 18/08/2015 09:17

Now that he has the wife at home subsidising him,

So if a woman with children marries another man, he'll be subsidising her and her children? And if a spouse earns less it's being subsidised?

I'd want my partner to contribute to what his children need. Not the token CSA, particularly if the child had sn.

His child is not a hobby.

sebsmummy1 · 18/08/2015 09:17

Ha ha 'no child should be born to a reluctant parent'. That would wipe out about two thirds of the worlds population if that was the case Grin

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 09:18

God, there are some real arseholes on this thread. BathtimeFunkster in particular is excelling herself with her ridiculous projections and her insistence that the OP set out to deceive his wife. Totally, totally unfair and uncalled for.

I could not agree with this more^

OP your situation is one of such great impact that there actually is no right or wrong answer as no matter what is decided somebody will be the "loser".
I don't understand this need for every child to have a sibling. I no many only children and they are not affected by being an only child.

I don't believe you set out to deceive your wife and I think you genuinely hoped that you would feel differently over time. Sadly all that has done is show you the difficulties you will face as your children get older.
I spent 10 years not wanting children, now I have 4 because I changed my mind I don't see why the OP isn't allowed to do that.

What the ex is doing is nothing to do with the OP and his family, he hasn't impregnated her! Her and her DH have made the choice to have 2 more DC based on what they can afford by way of time and finances, this argument of "well the exw can have more why can't you" is stupid and childish.

I think you should try couples counseling OP. Maybe in that environment you will both be able to discuss your feeling and maybe come to some resolution. As much as I sympathise with your wife and her need for another child I think you are doing the right thing and I cannot disagree with your reasons.

I hope you are both happy when you reach the end and I think your whole family sound wonderful.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 09:19

Jesus christ some of the opinions in this thread are disgraceful

How can this possibly be deception, NO-ONE can honestly say how many children they're willing to have prior to having them. As the reality of his situation has hit home OP has admitted, and this takes a big person, that he is struggling to cope and another child would tip him over the edge.

So because his wife has decided she wants another child, despite already having one so it's not like she has none, he should forget about how much he's struggling with a 2 children including one with disabilities and just suck it up?

This is how families end up in shitty situations in which parents can't cope.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 09:19

Yonic - he hasn't struggled with the decision as far as I can see. He's struggled to man up and tell the woman who has been banging on about another baby!!!

I wanted three kids. After the second, my husband shouted at me :NO MORE KIDS!! We hadn't even left the hospital!!! He'd been clear about it from the minute I said I was PG...

We just laugh about it now because - literally - as soon as I got discharged he was like 'Seriously, NO MORE KIDS'... Was I disappointed? A little... Was I absolutely certain what his opinion was? YES! Did I have to ASK him to have a vasectomy??? Not on your life! He bolted down there al on his own!!!

I'm truly not saying the OP is wrong and, yes, DS needs to be considered much more than NT kids, as his care is lifelong and this is something his mum is no doubt preparing for (I have a child with SN, though not so severe, and I am already considering his future in case he can' work)

What is wrong is how his new wife is stepping up to the plate, yet being treated like an inferior partner in this marriage.

that's my problem with this.