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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

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Maryz · 18/08/2015 15:56

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Jdee41 · 18/08/2015 15:56

NumberTwelve

Do you have a local voluntary service or 'one-stop' office for support services? I'm wondering if you could maybe access some more help and support from local agencies.

FWIW, having followed this thread I think some posters should be ashamed of themselves. If a woman posted to say her husband was pressurizing her for another child despite current difficulties then that man would be labelled an abuser.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 15:59

As she isn't actually the parent of the child with SN - she's a step-parent, and the op isn't the primary carer.

So presumably he, his wife and his dd aren't entitled to anything in the way of support?

That's the difficulty. Plus our combined earnings take us over the tax credit threshold, so there's no help available.

Not that I'm particularly sure that having a baby that pushes you into needing 3rd party help in order to physically cope is the right thing to do.

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lotrben17 · 18/08/2015 16:02

the more i read the more i can't see how you could cope or change anything sufficiently to cope with another baby. I do think in a few years it'd be easier with dd1 but you have to get through the next few years and i completely appreciate that at near 40 you don't want to sign up for another 4-5 grueling years. I couldn't cope with a 3rd dc in your situation either, although i also sympathize with the yearning for another baby as well. It's a horrible position for you both.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 16:05

I don't think anyone is making these suggestions for you to have another baby.

mandi73 · 18/08/2015 16:05

I've lived through this to a certain extent, I have one brother, 17mths older than me, who is disabled. When he was born in the 70's his future was unknown and my parents were advised to find a home for him and go have more children.....not an option for them. I was a surprise baby.......well a f**king shock baby as my mother put it :) If I hadn't of made my surprise appearance there wouldn't have been any more children.
There wasn't respite or grants or much help with my brother, they were pretty much left to their own devices, my dad's friends fashioned his first walking frame, adapted his first chair as waiting times were so long.
I knew my brother was different, he couldn't come out to play with me, couldn't chase me, couldn't go to the same school as me but we still fought like cats and dogs and still loved each other.
My dad died when I was 12, that left mam with the two of us and she has done brilliantly but whereas I've left home, have my own family and am independent she still has to mother him, he can wash/dress himself but needs help in/out of showers, can't put on his shoes/socks himself, couldn't prepare a meal, make a bed, lock the front door etc.
But it's a joint effort, when mam went away for two nights with my aunt my 21yr old son went and stayed with my brother to help out. My husband and children all know should anything happen to mam we'll all move into the house with my brother.
Would it have been nice to have an able bodied sibling? Absolutely!!!!!
But......we might have hated each other........it would have further diluted the alone time I got with my parents and then just mam.
I don't think the OP has come to this decision lightly, in an ideal world my parents would have had 4 children (their original plan) but like is full of twists and turns and nothing ever goes to plan.

Offred · 18/08/2015 16:05

Not that I'm particularly sure that having a baby that pushes you into needing 3rd party help in order to physically cope is the right thing to do.

Stop thinking about this being a decision about whether to have another baby. It's not. It's about two people who are already pushed to the limits and need help now.

Are you afraid if you scale back/take control/ask for help you will be pushed into a baby you don't want? Because you do not have to have a baby if you don't want to.

SnakeyMcBadass · 18/08/2015 16:07

Batshittery everywhere

OP, it's shit when you disagree on a decision where there is no compromise point. I know this particular scenario well. I can't express the deep, painful longing someone can feel for that child they don't yet have. You've either yearned or you haven't. I did. I have two dc, wanted another desperately. Dh was adamant that he was done. He had good, practical reasons, but ultimately he just didn't yearn. I felt biblical rage at his reasons, because I knew they were deflections. I wanted, he did not. And I wanted so badly, that any sense of playing fair went out the window. I cried, I wheedled, I bargained. He just kept quietly saying no. So I erupted in a fury of pain and 'how fucking DARE you!' This cycle continued for two years and badly cracked the foundation of our marriage. We were both miserable. One day I bitterly told him that if we separated and he went on to have other children having denied me that chance I would never forgive him. He was incredibly hurt by my venom, but fuck me I meant it. He went to the GP a week later and arranged a vasectomy. Only then did I really and truly believe him that he didn't want any more dc, with me or anyone else. And once it was done, I grieved for the child I would never have.

Now this isn't a lead by example story. No need to have your vas cauterised to make your point. There is no easy way through such a painful juxtaposition. It takes time, and commitment, and in the end one of you has to bend. And that's awful, especially when you're used to meeting in the middle.

The only advice I can give you is this. Be sure. Make your decision and stick to it. Allow your wife space to feel however she feels. It won't go away quickly or easily. Accept that you both have to want it to work to make it work. And if, in the end, she can't live with your decision, don't blame her. I have never been through anything more painful. Good luck.

Maryz · 18/08/2015 16:11

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StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 16:17

I was hoping when I came back the disgustings had long gone but nope still here. Just for the record Bath & Iam you are two of the vilest posters I have ever come across and I will in future endevour to avoid you at all costs.

Ex the OP's son will not grow up and leave home. He will always be first priority to the OP. He has considered her feeling as well as those of his 2 children and himself. All of which he has stated on this thread which for some reason you are commenting on but clearly haven't read Hmm

WhySoAngry · 18/08/2015 16:45

Well, Stan, you just beat me to it. There are some nasty, spiteful and mean-spirited folk on Mumsnet but Bath & Iam take some beating.

amarmai · 18/08/2015 16:47

add me to your list Stan ! For the record IAM and BAthtime you are 2 of the most insightful posters i have ever come across. and i will in future endeavour to read all your posts at all costs.
BTW read more carefully. The person the op is considering first is himself , then his son, and last his 2nd wife. Not sure where the little girl fits in/ squeezes in.

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 16:53

I have amarmai but getting your post deleted was enough, you are only mildly disgusting.

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 16:53

WhySoAngry I think they are only just beaten by their new cheerleader amarmai

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 16:54

Oh and are you too dim to come up with your own sentence ARSE LICKING that you needed to re-word mone Hmm

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 16:55

Hmm, I don't know. Someone who thinks that Idiot and Bathtime are insightful is Hmm.

Jdee41 · 18/08/2015 16:55

amarmai

By prioritising a potential child above her husband, isn't the OP's wife putting her own needs ahead of everyone else?

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 17:02

By prioritising a potential child above her husband, isn't the OP's wife putting her own needs ahead of everyone else?

Apparently that's allowed Hmm

A man is not entitled to change his mind.
A man is not entitled to put is own emotional wellbeing as a priority.
A man is not allowed to choose if he wants to be a father.
A man is not allowed to worry about the future.
A man is not allowed to be a person with thoughts, fears or feelings.

A women is allowed all of the above and if her man doesn't comply she is encouraged to LTB.

The double standards on this thread are shocking.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 17:03

Once again the wife is being demonised even though op hasn't said she's done anything wrong!

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 17:07

Being demonised by who? Not me my post isn't aiming anything at the wife, my post is aimed at all those who think the OP is not allowed to have a say or choice and because he wants one is labelled as a controlling cocklodger.

MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 17:09

SnakeyMcBadass - great post - thank you.

Funinthesun15 · 18/08/2015 17:14

For the record IAM and BAthtime you are 2 of the most insightful posters i have ever come across. and i will in future endeavour to read all your posts at all costs

Seriously.... Hmm

Jdee41 · 18/08/2015 17:17

Once again the wife is being demonised even though op hasn't said she's done anything wrong!

I didn't mean to sound as if I was demonising the OP's wife - just to point to those criticizing the OP for concentrating on his own concerns that that is exactly what is wife is also doing.

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 17:18

You were not demonising the wife Jdee you made a very valid point.

FunkyPeacock · 18/08/2015 17:41

Stan - couldn't agree more with your comments about this thread. The views of some posters are quite frankly flabbergasting

Supporting and sympathising with the OP does not equate to demonising his wife. It is perfectly possibly to sympathise with his wife while still supporting his stance.

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