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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 15:13

I really think you need to be looking at making your current life happier and more manageable whatever you decide. Discussing reducing the CM to what is required, moving to a smaller house so you aren't so overreached financially, your new wife becoming more involved with caring for your eldest, that kind of thing.

I wouldn't say we're over reached, but certainly at/approaching our limit. Our 'fritter/life' money probably amounts to about 5%. Again, the current childcare situation is difficult, and at times exceptionally so, but overall it's not an over reach.

You both sound as though you are already pushed right to the limits of what you can handle, not just you and there also sound as though there are things you could do to make that better.

Future completely aside, your present seems to be a big issue to me. Your current life is unsustainable - for you carrying the burden of the eldest DC alone and for your new wife working the condensed hours.

Really you are already over stretched in your current situation. I think you need to take the pressure off making definitive statements about the future (both of you) and focus on sorting out the present so you operate more as a team and so you are not pushing yourselves to the maximum you can take.

again, the difficulty for me is only really when she's at work. But there's no solution to that which doesn't involve a drastic loss of income. She can't fix shifts. She could work 9-5, but then childcare costs double, and her quality of life is severely diminished by virtue of the fact she'd lose two days with DD. She'd end up seeing less of her, which would be counter productive

OP posts:
thegreylady · 18/08/2015 15:13

It never crossed my mind that anyone would interpret 'full sibling' as a reference to disability! Would 'blood sibling' be better?
Op if you can't/won't then so be it and your wife will no doubt also do what she must whether it is stay with resentment, stay with resignation or leave you with deep regret. I hope it all turns out well for all of you but I can't see that happening.
Your ex is the only one of the adults who has the best of the available options.

TheHoneyBadger · 18/08/2015 15:13

i'm also really not enjoying people giving the impression women are walking wombs howling with NEED for more children. very many women, for very many reasons, accept that despite a hormonal urge or a cherished want it would be selfish or otherwise unreasonable to have another child just to satisfy that.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 15:14

Sorry, I missed where he said that.

I also didn't think about the ex having the respite.

So, ignore me! Blush

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:15

I'm just wondering if there is at all an easier way around it.

Instead of doing the double journey would you be able to just do all of that at the ex wife's? E.g. Take DD, cook dinner for all the kids not just 2, and then do the bedtime routine? At least you aren't driving that extra time and can spend it with kids. The petrol money saved could be used to buy dinner.

I realise it might be too much of an imposition for your ex wife's family. Otoh she might appreciate the dinner being cooked!

Please don't pile on me if this is stupid/obtuse/insensitive/bleating on again.

Lweji · 18/08/2015 15:16

OP stop using your childrens' names. Unless you are ok with no anonymity.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 15:17

Ok, hang on.

If you had your son on the days that she wasn't working her shifts wouldn't that be better?

You wouldn't have to drag DD (not comfortable using her name btw!) along when bringing him home? Wife could sort dinner etc?

I'm assuming that's not possible though since it seems glaringly obvious?

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 15:17

The ex is completely irrelevant. She has a new partner and their decisions are made privately. You might as well say it's not fair because Victoria Beckham gets to have four kids and your wife has to stop at one.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:17

Does DW work night shifts then?

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:19

And have you calculated all options with the free 15 hours when DD is 3 and also any benefits you might get?

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 15:19

The ex is completely irrelevant. She has a new partner and their decisions are made privately. You might as well say it's not fair because Victoria Beckham gets to have four kids and your wife has to stop at one.

That attitude won't help you to help your wife, OP. Just so you are careful with what you take from this thread.

AmeliaNeedsHelp · 18/08/2015 15:19

OP, I think you sound like a wonderful father. And certainly not a bad husband. Realising you are only just coping now and unable to cope with another child shows excellent self awareness. You should have told your DW sooner, but I'm so glad you didn't just go along with it until it was too late.

FWIW, I think that being emotionally unable to have another child is not far removed from being physically unable to have another child and if I were your DW I would understand. It would take time to deal with the pain, obviously, but I personally wouldn't leave. Give her time, and talk to her whenever she's ready.

The financial stuff is all bollocks really. I earn more than my fiance, but it doesn't matter one jot to me. We have a combined income and spend accordingly. Some people are just obsessed with how much people earn, and who's contributing more. Which I've never understood when it comes to being a family.

You've taken some pretty awful flak on here, and acquitted yourself well. Some posters are obviously convinced that a woman's desire to have a child trumps every other consideration. Not all women are like that, and I hope you and your DW find a way forward.

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 15:22

What attitude, walter?

DixieNormas · 18/08/2015 15:23

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TheHoneyBadger · 18/08/2015 15:23

you don't plan on benefits when adding up the sums to have another child do you? Confused

even if it was ethically without drawbacks it would be mighty unwise in a time when the benefits system is being dismantled willy nilly.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:24

Please, please FFS tell me that wasn't to me honey

BrendaFlange · 18/08/2015 15:24

Everybody feels sorry for the OP's wife - including the OP!
That doesn't automatically mean he is everything he is accused of.
I feel sorry for him, too, because he cannot make everyone he loves most dearly happy, whatever he does.

His DW knew when she got together with him and had a child with him that he had a commitment and parenting responsibility, and the added difficulties in caring for a severely disabled child. Neither the OP nor his DW knew what it would be like caring for a toddler and a severely disabled older child - no-one can make decisions or pronouncements until they know the life. They both have natural and understandable and admirable wishes and aims.

And just because one person can easily cope with severely disabled child and as many other siblings as you like, doesn't mean that everyone should feel the same way.

No way would I willingly have more DC than I have because I could not cope in a way that would make me a good and stable parent. (I have a child with additional needs).

Offred · 18/08/2015 15:25

Well, that's what I mean really. You can just about make ends meet with some left over for luxuries as long as you both push yourselves as hard as you possibly can.

You don't need to do that. You can reduce your responsibilities, certainly in terms of the house. You talked previously about a smaller house and you decided to push yourselves to achieve a bigger house.

If you can't afford to keep yourselves unless you are pushing right to the limit in what you can cope with then that is overreaching even if you aren't paying the mortgage with a credit card. Your wife being on mat leave would potentially lose you your house wouldn't it with those margins? That's overreaching.

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 15:25

I can't believe what I'm reading. Benefits? The guy says they can't afford another kid and the answer is benefits? No, the answer is doing what sensible people across the world do and not have another kid.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:26

Considering this was what I said

Nothing to do with another baby.

I'll caps it. NOTHING TO DO WITH ANOTHER BABY.

So suggesting they check what they are entitled to in their current situation, is hardly planning on benefits!!

Offred · 18/08/2015 15:27

Especially because I assume you are still having sex and accidental pregnancies do happen and are something people should consider. Just like redundancy, illness etc. you sound as though if any of those things happened you would be fucked and that is not a way to plan your life to be.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 15:27

How is suggesting they check benefit entitlement any more unwise than downsizing the house!

Jesus I'm a twat coming back, I'm clearly going to get piled on today. How the fuck was my suggestion anything other than sensible!

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2015 15:28

My apologies slithy. Although I dare say the OP and his ex have it all covered with regard to disability benefits, and his new wife wouldn't be working punishing shifts if it could be avoided.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 15:28

Ok, hang on.

If you had your son on the days that she wasn't working her shifts wouldn't that be better?

That would be the obvious solution, but would rely on us being very, very lucky week in, week out. She can't fix her shifts, and whilst my ex is flexible, I couldn't change my days every week. There would also be clusters of days of contact/no contact, which removes the 'mutual respite' aspect. Principle problem being that there's two midweek nights, one over nighter, and one full weekend day, and her job means that guaranteeing all that time off impossible. I'm lucky if she's home for two of the four sessions.

Days and nights, but out the house for 14 hours, so the same problems are presented either way.

It's the most obvious solution to just one of the practical barriers. But it doesn't eradicate it enough to make the rest of the problems any more easily handled.

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Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 15:29

slithy I think you need to thicken your skin a bit, love! Really, people are just debating the issues. It's not personal.

Morris it's obtuse and insensitive to say that his first family should have nothing to do with his wife's feelings.

There would be a board dedicated to step parenting if one didn't affect the other.

It would be, IMO, crass and insensitive to dismiss any of her feelings right now and there is a possibility that she'll be feeling like it's unfair that everyone gets the children they want except her.

You might think that's insane but as I said, logic and emotion don't always mix!

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