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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:58

When this child gets bigger he will need to have more equipment to be moved. OP will need to hoist his child, because otherwise he'll damage his own back.

OP will have to tend to the childs toilet needs, this includes rolling a child that weight a few stone, it's difficult and physically challenging

OP will have to hand feed his child or set up PEG feeds.

OP will administer meds

OP will have to try and communicate and entertain his little boy.

As well as raising and spending time with his daughter who is also very young. And now people want to chuck a newborn into the mix, just to spice things up a bit eh? His wife will be at work. She doesn't have to deal with the child who is disabled. Her dream of having 2 children is very different to the reality of OP's three.

CalleighDoodle · 18/08/2015 13:59

Omg. I cannot quite believe that there are 23 pages of someone having to justify to randomers online the reasons why they dont want a third child?!?!

slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:59

hy are you assuming he's giving any reason he can think of? He has stated his reasons. Why don't you believe him?

Because those reasons have solutions which he ignores, and I suspect if he gave those reasons to his wife, she would try and solve them too.

I believe op just doesn't want another. Everything else is a red herring. And not wanting another, is a valid choice.

DixieNormas · 18/08/2015 14:00

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hellsbellsmelons · 18/08/2015 14:00

No Skully I absolutely do NOT have a clue.
Which is why I'm sympathising with the OP.
Not only because if he doesn't want anymore kids then that's his perogative but also because I cannot honestly even begin to understand what it takes emotionally, physically, mentally etc... to do what he does and what is ExW does.

I don't see depression jumping out here at all.
I see very measured reasoning as to why the OP does not want another child. Some of those reason many of us on here can never comprehend and shouldn't try to!

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:00

Walter, the point is he should admit that to himself and his wife and not offer false hope. Giving surmountable reasons offers false hope.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 18/08/2015 14:00

This situation is similar to ones where one partner doesn't want children at all and the other one does. Neither is "right" or "wrong", it just means that they have different views on something that you can't compromise on. And I've always felt that where it comes to deciding to have more children, the partner who doesn't want them gets to trump the one who does, because ideally no child would be born other than to parents who really really want them.

Flowers for OP

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:01

Who was that directed at dixie

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 14:01

What is the solution to him feeling that he cannot emotionally cope with another child?

I'll look out for the next woman posting that she doesn't want another child, but her DH does. That she can't cope emotionally or practically. I'm sure all of you will pile on finding 'solutions'.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 14:02

Slithy have you ever taken care of a severely disabled child? No amount of sodding child care vouchers and your other suggestions are going to make it easier PHYSICALLY and EMOTIONALLY to do so whilst looking after 2 other very young children.

Fairenuff · 18/08/2015 14:03

If a woman posted that, how many of you would be trying to convince her she was wrong? And unfair on her DH?

I don't think he is in the wrong though Grays, I just think that he has his head in the sand over this. OP thinks that his wife will, eventually, with a bit of counselling, come to terms with this.

She really might not. He has to prepare himself for that. Earlier in the thread he said he wouldn't risk losing her over this which led me to believe that he might, after all, be able to work a solution so that another child is a possibility.

If he just doesn't want one, fine. No problem with that. But, if he would have one if push came to shove, then maybe they could work something out. No wonder his wife is confused, he's not clear on that.

However, latest posts OP has stated that he cannot and will not have another child. No if, buts or any kind of obstacle to overcome, it's just not an option for him.

That leaves one option for his wife. Accept it, or leave. I don't think OP thinks for a minute that she will leave him but what he needs to realise is that this changes everything in their relationship and it's a very real possibility now.

It doesn't mean that he's wrong or that he should have the child against his wishes, just that he needs to think about a future without her and how that would be for him.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:03

I'm not being nasty George, please don't be nasty to me.

In answer to your rhetorical question I would find out what the poster meant by not coping emotionally. Is it a lack of help, is it something counselling would assist with. Tbh it's something I'd try and solve WITHOUT bringing another child into the mix.

So yeah, sorry for trying to help.

I've said all along if op just doesn't want another, that's totally valid.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 14:04

Santa, shift change would help that as it would mean OP wouldn't have to cope alone with 2 or 3 kids at once. It would mean he could give his DS one on one time and not split his focus. It would mean he could have some time for himself (don't see why you can't have this now op?)

I don't see why they can't save money and childcare vouchers now.
Give up some luxuries.
Have a baby with op off on maternity leave, thereby removing the entire burden of childcare for a year.
Go back to work with different shifts and contact arrangements (maybe DS staying over more so OP isn't over at his exes) so OP has more support when all three children are together.
Make the sacrifices that all parents make for the first 5 years, because kids are worth it.

Shift fixing us impossible, and we can't afford for either of us to earn any less than we do without destroying life quality - and by that I mean a holiday, the odd day trip, occasional takeaway etc.

We're already at our childcare voucher limit
We couldn't afford for maternity over 6 months.
My son can't stay over, as the drive time to get him back to his mum's would impact on fluid intake, and also work makes it very difficult.

OP posts:
wannaBe · 18/08/2015 14:04

do people really think this can be resolved by saving a bit and collecting childcare vouchers? People do realise don't they, that children get more expensive not less as they grow up? and while the two year old won't be a two year old for ever, the needs of the eight year old are going to increase not decrease.

Plus what if something were to happen to the op's ex and the ds does come to live with them full-time? When you become a parent you are a parent full-time regardless of whether the children live with you full-time, and as a stepparent you need to go into a relationship knowing that there is every chance you may have those stepchildren living with you permanently at some stage.

If this was a woman the response would be "her body, her choice, end of discussion." but because it's a man he needs to consider all avenues to make the woman have what she wants?

If ever there was a need to prove the amount of double standards that exist on mn, this thread is the one

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:05

Grays why are you being horrible to me?

Childcare vouchers saved up = reduced nursery costs = removed financial burden op mentioned. I didn't say that would help to cope with a disabled child.

Ops wife helping more by changing her work situation if possible, could. Firstly, he wouldn't have to help with the 2 other young children at the same time.

I don't get why I'm being jumped on.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 14:05

basically OP the posters on this thread would be quite happy with you living in a shed, eating bread and water and rocking in the corner as long as you gave your wife the baby she wants.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 14:05

I haven't been nasty to you slithytove Confused

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:07

Op, you are doing that thing again, putting up reasons which just begs them to be solved. Why not be black and white - no more kids, end of.

No hope, no lies, no confusion.

Ohfourfoxache · 18/08/2015 14:07

If a shift change is impossible, would a job change be possible? (For one or both of you)?

SkullyCat · 18/08/2015 14:07

because you're banging away at things he has already explained won't work.

WayneRooneysHair · 18/08/2015 14:08

Sorry but I'm chuckling at the suggestion of saving childcare vouchers etc, none of that will help the OP.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 14:08

I found your post very biting George. Perhaps I am being oversensitive. I feel a bit jumped on, because I have tried to offer solutions, because OP has not been clear that it's a no, no matter what.

To my mind, if he would be happy doing it if his problems would be worked around, that is a different matter. If it's not the case, he needs to make sure his wife doesn't think that.

Again in his last post he has given reasons why not and all I want to do is refute them. I bet his wife will feel the same.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 14:09

Jesus!

NO ONE ever on this thread has said it's not OK for him to say no.

It's equally OK for her to say: You duped me and you expect me to fund your lifestyle to suit you and your ex partner.

Seriously, I would like anyone to truly consider if someone came along and said: Oh, but you KNEW I expected you to pay XXXX and that meant I wasn't prepared to give up my extras, so you can't have what you want.

I'm sorry, if you were put in that position,you would feel differently.

Lweji · 18/08/2015 14:09

basically OP the posters on this thread would be quite happy with you living in a shed, eating bread and water and rocking in the corner as long as you gave your wife the baby she wants.

The posters??
Sure, ignore the quite large number that understand the op's position or haven't slated him.

I despair of such posts just the same as those it is actually aimed at.

SkullyCat · 18/08/2015 14:10

not all reasons can be solved though Slithy, it doesn't mean the practical reasons (finance...etc) aren't as valid as the emotional ones in the decision making of not wanting another child.

He has told his wife he doesn't want one, and he's told us and her (i assume) the reasons behind that decision.

You're kinda beating a dead horse and i don't really understand why you're asking him to say something he's already said, repeatedly.

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