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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

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Maryz · 18/08/2015 13:47

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Funinthesun15 · 18/08/2015 13:48

But, it would seem your detractors are those who are have some understanding of the pressures your wife is under. Your supporters seem to believe in some parallel universe where you actually tell your wife what you are planning to do (note: Not thinking, because you've already made your mind up... but even then you lack the courage to actually tell her.

I fully understand what pressures his wife is under, but that doesn't mean that the OP isn't entitled to his feelings.

Some of the assumptions made about the OP on his thread are disgusting.

SkullyCat · 18/08/2015 13:48

I would put my children before my partner every single fucking time.

But thats because my child is disabled and cannot function without me, my partner is grown bloody man and sort his self out.

There is no way in hell i would EVER force my child to be deprived of any quality of life because of my DH's choices, ever.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 13:48

OP - YOu need to talk to her. Not us.

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Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 13:49

Sorry - for the record I meant KIDS before PARTNER.

Sorry!!!!

slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:49

But we'd be unable to afford much more than six months maternity leave.

Don't you both have frippery money now? You could save that now and put aside for maternity leave. Also take childcare vouchers and save them for after maternity leave. Plus when baby arrives you will have the 15 hours childcare saving for your older child.

It could be done. Point is, I think you don't want to. You need to be honest.

Abominable7 · 18/08/2015 13:50

I have a lot of sympathy for you OP, and also for your wife.

I was in your wife's position in some ways. While my partner and I had children from our previous marriage, I wanted one more (apparently I did not need one). The abbreviated version is that we had the discussion early on, he said he'd be happy to have another, and then later in the relationship he changed his mind. I was so crushed by the change of heart; I agree with pps who encouraged you to not be non-committal if that's not how you feel. For me it made it much harder when the news came as a retraction of an earlier decision, particularly having gone quite some time thinking we were both progressing down the same path.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:50

NO ONE is saying that the OP should have a child to the detriment of his DS

But people are forgetting that if the OP struggles to cope it will be the children who suffer. End of.

And your constantly ignoring his feelings on the matter instead banging on about the 'hassle'. Haven't you read the post in which he describes his day with his disabled child? At the moment he can cope with his son and his daughter. Another child could push him over the edge. Could impact on the care the other children get, on their relationships with their father. But that's okay is it as long as the wife gets her way and gets to have another kid.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 13:50

Funinthesun - with all due respect, he's been very active and never once said anything I admit I assumed was incorrect.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:50

Obviously, when she's ready to talk, or go to counselling, or whatever she needs, we'll do it. The conversation here isn't in lieu of a conversation with her. And it's not for validation.

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Ohfourfoxache · 18/08/2015 13:53

Number you sound like a lovely dad and, by God, are you in a shit situation Sad

You say that your dw's work does not involve set shifts etc. Is there any chance of her changing jobs? Or you changing jobs/going for promotion etc? A wee bit more money coming in is always handy(!) and might help make things easier.

In terms of DC, it does get easier as they get older. Your dd won't be 2 forever (I say this as a first time mum of a 5 month old Ds - already things are easier, the sleep deprivation isn't as bad as it was!) - surely the older she gets the easier it will be?

I'm sorry to say this because you so obviously feel guilty and you're clearly and understandably distressed, but you have lied to her - at the very least by omission. Your posts seem (to me, anyway) that you're not prepared to have another DC and that your Dw just has to get used to it. What if she can't? What if she doesn't want to? What if she decides that having another DC is more important than your relationship? Because from the tone of your posts you're not giving her any option - "it's my way or the highway". I know that's not what you mean but if you approach your Dw in this way it might make things worse for her. Not saying you would, but I'm just trying to think how I'd react.

Also don't underestimate how she might feel about giving your/her dd a sibling (as much as I adore my dh and have done for a long, long time before Ds came along (15 years), Ds and his happiness are now my priority - I certainly wasn't expecting to feel like that). The thought of Ds not having a sibling upsets me hugely, and I say this as someone who quite literally couldn't move for 8.5 months without puking. I never imagined I would want to go through it again, and actually I don't really - but I would/hopefully will do it for Ds.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:53

george if a woman posted that, I would be suggesting ways to cope. Trying to find out if the objections were surmountable (to potentially save a marriage!) or it was a non started because that person just didn't want a child and was giving any reason they would think of.

I would also suggest GP and counselling because depression is leaping off the pages at me.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:53

Today I learned that only women are allowed to struggle with children, men are to suck it up and go along with ridiculously unhelpful suggestions.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 18/08/2015 13:54

Well, this thread has becoming something else this morning hasn't it! Shock

The money is a red herring. Take the money away completely. Most of OP's posts and reasoning are about the physical and emotional strain of caring for his severely disabled DS & his toddler DD. No amount of shift change, cutting back on luxuries etc. etc. is going to change that. Not one bit.

OP feels unable to have a third child for many, very valid, reasons other than finances. His wife's opinion is obviously also very relevant & she can't just switch off her desire for a second (actually I would say third) child - and nor should she, if that is what she wants most from life.

Surely, no-one's saying that the OP should be less involved with his DS to allow time & energy for a new baby? That's just crazy.

I would be interested to hear the story from the wife's side however.

SkullyCat · 18/08/2015 13:54

Again, i repeat.

Do you people have ANY fucking CLUE how emotionally, physically and mentally soul-suckingly exhausting caring for a disabled child is?

I don't think you do.

Until you do, i don't think you have a dog in this fight, i really don't.

hellsbellsmelons · 18/08/2015 13:54

She has a choice to leave if she wants to.
It's not up the OP to 'give' her a choice.
It's entirely up to her.
'affordable' does NOT matter one single jot here.
I could have easily afforded to have more kids.
I just did NOT want any more.
Same as OP. And he has a hard enough time of it as it is.
I only have one healthy DD. I can't imagine the struggle and challenges OP and his ExW face on a daily/weekly basis.
Neither can his current wife because she hasn't had to do it on her own.

Maybe that is the way forward.
For the next few visit your DW has to look after both kids single handed.
She may well sympathise then. She may not of course but maybe worth a go?

DixieNormas · 18/08/2015 13:55

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googoodolly · 18/08/2015 13:55

I do feel sorry for you OP because you're in a situation where no-one can win. You don't want more children, but that means your wife is unhappy and could possibly leave you as a result. She wants children, but can't have them with you, which means she'll have to break up her existing to fulfil that desire. If she stays, she'll be resentful, but if she goes, she'll be breaking up her marriage and her daughter's parents. It's not an enviable position at all.

achieve6 · 18/08/2015 13:56

slowly catching up with thread.

some posters don't seem to realise that the OP has said he can't cope with another child emotionally. There are no solutions to that.

Can't understand the criticism.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 13:56

it was a non started because that person just didn't want a child and was giving any reason they would think of.

Why are you assuming he's giving any reason he can think of? He has stated his reasons. Why don't you believe him?

ApplesTheHare · 18/08/2015 13:57

MiddleAgeds Who posts on MN from somebody else's perspective focusing on their wants and needs? Confused OP can only post from his perspective and hope for support, as most people do when they start a relationship-focused thread.

I can't believe how much grief the OP is getting when he's said he's heartbroken at how upset his wife is. If this was a woman posting about how much she hated upsetting her husband but just couldn't cope emotionally with another child the responses would be totally different.

voluptuagoodshag · 18/08/2015 13:57

Having caught up on this thread I have to say I have never been so disgusted by mumsnet. Wicked, horrible, dreadful things to say to a man who has come on for some advice and support. A man who sounds like a darn good guy with his kids' best interests at heart.

OP you sound like a great guy. I hope you and your wife, who also sounds like a great person, can sit down for a good discussion and move on.

As for some of the rest of you, to descend to a level you understand - just fuck right off you catty, narrow-minded, money grabbing, selfish pile of shite!

slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:57

Santa, shift change would help that as it would mean OP wouldn't have to cope alone with 2 or 3 kids at once. It would mean he could give his DS one on one time and not split his focus. It would mean he could have some time for himself (don't see why you can't have this now op?)

I don't see why they can't save money and childcare vouchers now.
Give up some luxuries.
Have a baby with op off on maternity leave, thereby removing the entire burden of childcare for a year.
Go back to work with different shifts and contact arrangements (maybe DS staying over more so OP isn't over at his exes) so OP has more support when all three children are together.
Make the sacrifices that all parents make for the first 5 years, because kids are worth it.

It would be done for someone who wanted to. No doubt op wife would.

Op doesn't want to. I repeat DOESNT WANT TO. And that is different to all of the reasons not to, and that is what he needs to tell his wife.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:58

I think posters should stop offering ways for them to have a dc.

He doesn't want another. That's fine. Now, it's moving on from that which may or may not be possible for his wife.

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