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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 13:30

Please let us know how she is.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:30

I understand that but it's the way you posed the question.

Poor OP, would you really rather lose your wife then give in to her demands....

Not a healthy way to have a relationship based on that is it.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:31

OP I have just read most of this thread. You use money from second wife to pay to first wife more than you are required to. First wife seems to be able to have as many children as she wants due to your generosity. Ex wife has a number of children, you have two children, you have decided present wife cannot have any more and is stuck at one. You have denied your daughter a full sibling with a normal age difference. You talk about not having much money left at the end of the month as being some sort of justification for this. If I was your wife I'd leave you now, you'd certainly be moaning about money then.

Money is a valid, but secondary consideration to my decision. The crux is that I wouldn't be able to give three children the time they need and deserve. The complex needs of a baby, and my son, would be at the cost of our daughter. That's not fair.

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exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 13:31

...and if the wife does leave him she needs to be sure that the risk of becoming a single parent to two, or one if she never had another child, or none if the OP is granted residency of their DD is worth it for the dream of having a second child (that may not ever happen in any case)

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:32

As to the question posed about how I'd react to an ultimatum? I think if that was put on the table it would make me question whether she's the person i thought she was

That's a horrible thing to say. I don't think you like your wife very much.

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 13:32

Thanks Maryz I was a bit confused Smile

Maryz · 18/08/2015 13:32

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MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 13:32

Waltermittythesequel - completely agree with you.

Owllady · 18/08/2015 13:33

That's when I had my third tbh, when the middle one started school. I never considered it was abnormal age gap Confused

WayneRooneysHair · 18/08/2015 13:34

Full sibling is really pissing me off, I doubt it is meant in the way that I am taking it but please think before using the term.

Maryz · 18/08/2015 13:34

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Koalafications · 18/08/2015 13:34

OP I have just read most of this thread. You use money from second wife to pay to first wife more than you are required to. First wife seems to be able to have as many children as she wants due to your generosity. Ex wife has a number of children, you have two children, you have decided present wife cannot have any more and is stuck at one. You have denied your daughter a full sibling with a normal age difference. You talk about not having much money left at the end of the month as being some sort of justification for this. If I was your wife I'd leave you now, you'd certainly be moaning about money then.

Hmm Confused

Have you even read the OP's posts?!

Fairenuff · 18/08/2015 13:34

I don't think of it as an ultimatum as in she is saying have another child or I'll leave.

More like the realisation that they want different things so maybe neither of them can be completely happy together and would therefore be better off apart.

achieve6 · 18/08/2015 13:34

OP - I confess I haven't read the whole thread....because my sympathy is totally with you.

Of course I understand your wife might decide her desire for a child is greater than her desire to keep a marriage, but I can see why another child is a non-negotiable for you.

hope things turn out okay.

ExConstance · 18/08/2015 13:34

No, I haven't read a single one of Bathtimes, I think they may have been deleted? I did look for them when they were commented on. Children are never affordable or easy, there is never a good time to have a child for anyone, always too little time, too little money, uncertainty etc. the OP is not looking at any compromise to help his current wife here that I can see.
In relationships the one big deal breaker that crops up time and time again is being put last. This poor woman sees ex wife having what she wants, her husband using family money to exceed his liability and promoting the interests of first wife. He has strung her along for a little while and now her desires are bottom of the pile again. I couldn't cope with that, your partner has to be first ( even if equal first), all she is getting is the dregs.

slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:35

can't have you for tea tonight as I've got the other two"

Not necessarily the case. Your daughter will get easier. Why can't you have all three of them when DW is around to help? You are shutting this down at every turn and it's unfair. I would be upset if I was your wife.

Don't put up problems as it prompts solutions which in turn prompts hope.

Far kinder to say no, no more, no matter what.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:35

OP - don't let your wife see this thread. I think she would be incredibly upset by some of your posts.

Which ones? The bit where I've said 'there's no indication that she'll make an ultimatum, but if she did I'd question things?' I don't think that's unfair. Why would - and I stress, it won't happen - her saying 'give me a baby or I'll leave you' more acceptable than me saying 'giving me an ultimatum when I'm saying I can't cope would make me question things?

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slithytove · 18/08/2015 13:36

nul where have I said he should be pushed to breaking point to satisfy his wife urge?

exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 13:36

I wouldn't want to be married to anyone that would use emotional blackmail (another baby or I'm leaving) to their own ends. I'd certainly be rethinking the whole relationship at that point - and wondering if I ever knew that person at all.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:36

Well, because he's expecting her to be understanding of her needs but, and he's admitted this; he only gave her a real answer when she wanted to actively try for a child.

I'm sure he's not the man she thought he was right now!

It sounds judgey to me. And, to be frank there have been posts where I don't think he sounds like he gives two shits about his wife. Not because he doesn't want a child, I should add.

I don't think his wife deserves some of the posts on this thread. I really don't.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 13:37

Ok, I'm done. No12 you really are a piece of work.

So, you have basically given her an ultimatum, but if she does anything other than accept 'it will make you question HER'.

FFS. She'll put up with it, because you've done a great number on her. But, you have to live wit the truth.

MagalyMaman · 18/08/2015 13:37

Full sibling, half sibling, there is a difference. Don't know why it wouldn't be ok to say 'half sibling'.

ps, earlier, when I said that it would make it harder for the OP's wife, the fact that his xw had had two other children, I wasn't presenting that as a winning argument in court. Just in a ''feelings'' kind of way. It would make it feel unfair. That's all.

exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 13:38

your partner has to be first No, your kids have to be first.

Superexcited · 18/08/2015 13:38

So set shifts are not an option, what about other solutions? A mothers / fathers help - these are usually a low cost option and could be in the house whilst you are there to help with the two younger children, freeing you up to look after DS until the youngest two are in bed.
Would that be an option worth considering?

I really think if it is the practical issues that are the barrier then you will be able to find a solution. If however you really don't want another child and no amount of practical solutions will change your mind then I think you have to be honest with your wife and tell her that and then let her decide whether she is happy to have the one child or whether her yearning for another means she wants to end the relationship.
I think whilst you are discussing the practical issues you are giving your wife hope that solutions can be found and that a second child might be an option. If you really don't want another under any circumstances then please just tell your wife that.

Owllady · 18/08/2015 13:39

I feed the pigeons, I sometimes feed the sparrows too it gives me a sense of enormous wellbeing

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