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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

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NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:18

Dinoraur, I absolutely accept that point of view. On the finances, I was adamant from day one that my contribution to my sons upbringing, and my level of contact was never going to be compromised on, so she's not gone into this blind. And to her credit she's by and large accepted this completely.

On coping. I just cope with the two I've got, when on my own. We can only ever go to my mum's, or to a special needs playground as everything else, even a trip to the shops, is just too difficult. And yes, things could be arranged between shifts, access, etc, but I'd basically saying to my son "can't have you for tea tonight as I've got the other two". He wouldn't comprehend it, and his mum would be flexible, but it would break my heart to have to make that choice. Not to mention the potential difficulties by constantly changing his routine.

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Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:18

OP, my post seems to have been lost in the chaos but I really think you need to remember that logic will have little to do with how your dw is feeling.

And please don't be as dismissive as some posters of the comparison between your ex's having children and your wife only having one.

A little bit of compassion goes a long way and people being dismissive of your poor wife, who hasn't done anything wrong, is pretty grim.

As I said pages ago, I don't think you're wrong. I feel sorry for you both but if I'm being totally honest, it just doesn't come across that your wife is that important to you!

Your ex is so wonderful and you do so much and that's great but where's the praise for your wife??

nulgirl · 18/08/2015 13:19

But slithy you are still looking at it exclusively from the wife's perspective. Why should the OP be pushed to breaking point to satisfy his wife's maternal urge

MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 13:19

No-one NEEDS a second child.
Then no-one needs a first child either. The feelings are exactly the same.

moochy1 · 18/08/2015 13:19

Did you tell your wife you wanted more than one child with her before you got married? If you did then that's different, but if you didn't actually plan 2 children together before getting married then I don't see it as lying or misleading her and therefore your marriage is automatically over and a deal breaker as some people call it. Life changes constantly, if since having your daughter you feel you couldn't cope with another baby and you are the main carer for your son while he stays with you, hopefully she will understand your reasons. She will probably feel angry and resentful, but marriage isn't just about having 2 children together. If it is for her, have you thought of leaving an age gap and having another baby in a few years when your daughter is a bit older? I know plenty of people who have 4-7 years in between babies for various reasons, and not always through choice.

You express very valid reasons for not wanting another baby. Not many of us know what it's really like to care for a disabled child, I agree with others a baby should only be planned for one reason and that is for both parents to really want to have that baby, not to provide a sibling for sharing care for your daughter's stepbrother in the future, or for assuming she'll be a lonely only child without a sibling.

BeautifulBatman · 18/08/2015 13:20

If I were a man married to a woman that basically threatened to leave if I refused to have another baby with them, I'd really ve hoping they carried out their threat. No one can seriously think that kind of blackmail is ok?

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:20

Would you really rather lose her than work out a way to make is possible for her to have another child with you?

Sorry but I hate this question. 'let me force you into doing something because otherwise I'll leave you, imagine that pet'.

Maryz · 18/08/2015 13:20

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Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:21

No-one NEEDS a second child

No-one NEEDS any child, do they?

I would hate to think this would be the callous response to a woman who came on here and desperately wanted another child!

MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 13:22

Sorry - I find this quite odd. Ask anyone who has more than one child whether the the first was 'needed' and the others were 'not needed'. Confused

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 13:22

I know that this is trotted out a lot on MN, but I do think that going to couples counselling would help here.

A very good friend of mine wanted children but her DH didn't, they went to couples counselling and had time to talk through their concerns (both valid, of course) It saved their marriage.

differentnameforthis · 18/08/2015 13:23

The facts are that one person in the relationship has made a huge decision all on their own and expects the other person to just get over it.

But isn't that what his wife is doing too? Making the huge decision to have another baby (that her dh will be main carer for) and expecting the op to get on with it?

However as you only have your ds for a limited time in the week But if he also had a baby he would have a child with disabilities, a toddler & a baby for a set amount of time. He don't think he can deal with that. It's not really that hard to understand.

I would say that you really should have told her before you got married, not after. Things change.

Taking a gamble with a person whose life will be blighted by the fact that one parent didn't want to have that child. And believe me, living with that (knowing you were unwanted by one parent) is no fun!

DinosaursRoar · 18/08/2015 13:24

OP - you are missing my point! If your DW had a set 3 days a week, say, Monday, Wednesday and Friday - that never changed, your DS's access days could be Tuesdays and Thursdays or over the weekends, you woudn't have to say "you can't come over today" - it would be "this isnt' your day to come over, this is your mum's time".

While her shifts move around now, every employer would have to consider a request for set shifts from someone with childcare responsibliities, and when one of those DCs are disabled, your DW is more likely to get that request approved. They might say no, but there's no harm in asking, and it sounds like it would vastly improve your life right now if you didn't have to have both DS and DD on your own.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 18/08/2015 13:24

Bathtime you need to find a hobby. You are vile.

How come on mn men get absolutely ripped to shreds by some posters in a way they'd never speak to a woman who posted with the same circumstances. There's definitely some men haters on here who need counselling.

Op, you don't want another child. your wife can either accept that or decide that your differences are too large to carry on in the relationship. I guess only time will tell how she feels.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:24

"Your ex is so wonderful and you do so much and that's great but where's the praise for your wife??"

To be clear, my wife is wonderful. She makes a massive contribution and sacrifice to our family.

As to the question posed about how I'd react to an ultimatum? I think if that was put on the table it would make me question whether she's the person i thought she was. There is no indication that that is a possibility however.

We'd not discussed/agreed on how many children we wanted. Sometime Since our daughter was born, she's made it clear she wants an additional one at some point, and that time is now.

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GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 13:26

dinosaur if she works for the NHS she would absolutely not get that approved. Very, very few people get allowed set shifts when they've requested.

Owllady · 18/08/2015 13:26

I think counselling would be a good idea too :)
I really think this is far more complex than a person on mumsnet with limited life experience can contemplate to give advice towards. One size doesn't fit all as the varying responses from those with experience will show. (And I agree superexcited etc :))
I hope it all goes well

ExConstance · 18/08/2015 13:27

OP I have just read most of this thread. You use money from second wife to pay to first wife more than you are required to. First wife seems to be able to have as many children as she wants due to your generosity. Ex wife has a number of children, you have two children, you have decided present wife cannot have any more and is stuck at one. You have denied your daughter a full sibling with a normal age difference. You talk about not having much money left at the end of the month as being some sort of justification for this. If I was your wife I'd leave you now, you'd certainly be moaning about money then.

exLtEveDallas · 18/08/2015 13:27

OP would you be willing to have another child with a larger age gap? Say if you waited 4 years or so until your DD was well settled in school. Would that be an option?

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 13:28

Sorry Dino. Three fixed shifts aren't an option for her unfortunately. There will always be times where I've got all three on my own and I just can't cope with that.

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Fairenuff · 18/08/2015 13:28

It's not about forcing Grays, it's a choice which everyone is entitled to take. She can say to him it's fine for you not to want any more children but not for me. I'm just wondering if OP is prepared for that. He has essentially cut off her future hopes and dreams, she will obviously be re-assessing the relationship and deciding if she can come to terms with that not not.

OP has stated that he absolutely would not risk losing her so it seems to me that he hasn't really faced that possibility as a reality. It's not his choice anymore, he has stated his terms and now she has to decide if she will accept them or not. And time is not in her favour so I think it will be sooner rather than later. She will cetainly be contemplating leaving him if her desire for another child is that strong.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:28

that her dh will be main carer for

What?

MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 13:29

OP - don't let your wife see this thread. I think she would be incredibly upset by some of your posts.

Waltermittythesequel · 18/08/2015 13:29

No.12 how is your wife? I'm assuming she came home?

Maryz · 18/08/2015 13:30

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