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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
Koalafications · 18/08/2015 12:31

I'm not sure what the ex-wife having 3 children has to do with it? Her uterus, her marriage, her business. Bugger all to do with the OP's DW.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 12:31

OK.

  1. He did not change his mind. He merely decided not to inform his wife, because it 'would upset her'.
  2. I cannot imagine how anyone lives on CSA. But, please... don't assume someone else will earn it for you.
  3. OP SAID 'having another child would make every week like the last week' - so affordable, but without the little luxes we all like, but don't need.

Yes, I am assuming - but there is something that says to me that the current wife is not welcome around ex wife / DS. No12 tell me I am wrong, but I am getting that vibe. I don't have a good relationship with my DH's ex, but for the last 17 years (they are 17 and 20 now) I have been a constant in their lives. I've even taken them away for weeks at a time without DH. And that's with SN thrown in as well.

No12 - if you don't want another child, then you have to man up and say it, but please be prepared for your current wife to not be happy with the long term arrangements of her working her backside off for your comfortable life.

Owllady · 18/08/2015 12:31

I feel really sad numbertwelve has had yo post that. Some of you ought yo be ashamed of yourselves

amarmai · 18/08/2015 12:32

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GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:32

OP Flowers you sound like a fabulous dad and to be honest the character assassination you've experience in this thread is disgusting and the worst I've seen of mumsnet. I hope you and your wife work things out.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:33

Me too owl, if that doesn't shut people up nothing will. I hope people read that and have a long hard think about what shite they've been posting.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 12:33

Well, no, Koal because the current wife's excess money in going into the pot to pay Ex wife OTO CSA...

nulgirl · 18/08/2015 12:33

Lots of posters on this thread seem incredibly immature and think that the wife should get what she wants because she's female and her urge to procreate should be pandered to at any cost to her partner or the rest of the family. This attitude does the general female population no favours as it makes us appear all appear completely irrational and at the mercy of our hormones.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 18/08/2015 12:34

I think it's vile how people are referring to the ops son as if he's not a valid sibling because of his special needs ffs. It's almost like people are saying his daughter needs a 'proper' sibling. Well sorry to break it to you guys there is no guarantee in life that even if OP and his wife had another child it would be NT and be able to play with it's sister and help look after it's elderly parents and other such bollocks that people on here are coming out with.
As for people calling OPs daughter an only child as that's what she effectively is (?) you ought to be ashamed of yourselves

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 12:34

I feel really sad numbertwelve has had yo post that. Some of you ought yo be ashamed of yourselves

Agree Owlllady.

Iamatotalandutteridiot your assumptions are increasingly nasty.

be prepared for your current wife to not be happy with the long term arrangements of her working her backside off for your comfortable life.

For fuck sake. Shame on you. Do you think the OP's most recent post sounds like an easy life?

horseygeorgie · 18/08/2015 12:35

Jeez, this site gets worse by the day. Seriously unfair comments on here. It is EVERYONES right to change their mind about having more children, male OR female and for whatever reason. No justification needs to be given and you lot are a vicious nest of vipers.

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 12:35

but please be prepared for your current wife to not be happy with the long term arrangements of her working her backside off for your comfortable life.

Where are you getting that from?! Confused Hmm

They both work full time.

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 12:36

Well, no, Koal because the current wife's excess money in going into the pot to pay Ex wife OTO CSA...

And the OP has already said that his son needs more money because he is quite destructive.

Where has it been suggested that the OP is contributing to his ex wife's other DC?

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 12:36

Well, no, Koal because the current wife's excess money in going into the pot to pay Ex wife OTO CSA...

Perhaps if you actually bothered to READ the OP's posts instead of projecting and making assumptions, Iamatotalandutteridiot you would realise that his CSA contributions come out of his earnings and not from any joint pot.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:37

Well, no, Koal because the current wife's excess money in going into the pot to pay Ex wife OTO CSA...

Well what exactly would you suggest they do then Iam? It's what bloody happens when one partner earns more than another. Instead of thinking abut is as paying the CSA, perhaps think about it as her paying more towards the mortgage or other bills as she has more free spends. This is what MOST families do. My partner pays more towards the mortgage so I can have some money to spend on things, because he earns more than me. Otherwise one of us would have free spends and the other would be brassick.

So whilst you're criticising the setup, what do you think families should do? What do you think OP should do?

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 12:37

Oh and your username is very apt, good choice.

shovetheholly · 18/08/2015 12:38

You sound eminently thoughtful, reasonable and caring. I think no-one should be forced into having a child if they are not comfortable with doing so - woman or man. I do think you are paying the emotional price for being less than open with her about this. I understand that you did it to avoid aggro and to spare feelings, but it has essentially meant that your wife may well feel a bit deceived about your motives. It is always better to be open and face things head-on, but I expect that you realise this now without needing a lecture from me about it Smile.

You and your wife might benefit from some counselling to talk things through, as this is a big, life-affecting decision for both of you and may have a large impact on the future of your relationship. I also think that it might be more sustainable for all of you if she spends more time with both children together.

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GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:38

How is working full time, then coming home to a 2 children, one with disabilities, fucking comfortable.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 12:38

I absolutely accept that by not actively discouraging her from wanting another baby, I’ve probably strung her along for a year. But if you think I’m a liar, a manipulator, I’m fleecing her, I’m taking the easy way out, I’m controlling, or that I’m a bad husband to my wife and father to my daughter – all accusations that 2-3 people have levelled against me – then I’d like to offer you a great, big, stinking and deserved “fuck you”.

Ahh, I'll accept that Fuck you and thank my lucky stars.

StonedGalah · 18/08/2015 12:40

there are some posters on this thread who are acting like utter arseholes (and you know who you are Hmm)

This really is the worst of MN and I hope OP you can take some of the negative bullshit with a grain of salt.

When the FUCK does the DW preference outweigh the DH preference for how many DC they have?

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 18/08/2015 12:41

I agree stoned. It's the only place on gods green earth where a man who is committed to being a responsible father is called selfish controlling and a tosser

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:41

x post.

He reduced it the first time from a considerable amount not taking it away. How much should the wife be able to chip away ey? Let her have another child's worth, how about two? Oh hell why not three whilst the money is just there for the taking.

But that's not fair to the wife. Because I bet she doesn't have the frame of mind anywhere comparable to yours.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 12:42
  1. He did not change his mind. He merely decided not to inform his wife, because it 'would upset her'.

I hadn't made up my mind. But at no point had I said 'I want another'.

  1. I cannot imagine how anyone lives on CSA. But, please... don't assume someone else will earn it for you.

when we were planning our house move, I made it clear what I could put into the family pot. She felt able, willing and happy to put marginally more in, in order for us to get a bigger house

  1. OP SAID 'having another child would make every week like the last week' - so affordable, but without the little luxes we all like, but don't need.

yes that's true, and strictly speaking selfish. We both work our asses off, and we deserve a takeaway and a bottle of wine every couple of weeks. To take the kids to the zoo. And a holiday. I don't believe it's fair on the whole family to deny that, and drastically change our already limited disposable income

Yes, I am assuming - but there is something that says to me that the current wife is not welcome around ex wife / DS. No12 tell me I am wrong, but I am getting that vibe. I don't have a good relationship with my DH's ex, but for the last 17 years (they are 17 and 20 now) I have been a constant in their lives. I've even taken them away for weeks at a time without DH. And that's with SN thrown in as well.

not sure if you expect my wife and ex to share coffee or something? They're civil and respectful to each other, and value each others contribution to the parenting team. DS loves my wife to bits. Not sure where you're going with this continued line

No12 - if you don't want another child, then you have to man up and say it, but please be prepared for your current wife to not be happy with the long term arrangements of her working her backside off for your comfortable life

*I have told her, and that's why I'm here. To try and get a head start on what she'll be feeling for when she's ready to talk. And again, we both work our asses off for a 'comfortable' family life.

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Owllady · 18/08/2015 12:43

Both numbertwelves ex wife and himself are full time carers to a severely disabled child. Even if he gets up in the morning without the care of his son, it doesn't mean by lunchtime he won't be sitting in the hospital with him as he's gone into status. Sometimes the worst thing unplanned that happens to people is they get stuck in a traffic jam on the way home from work. Life isn't like that for those of us with children with severe and complex disabilities. I would love to just have the inconvenience of just getting stuck in a traffic jam*

*I'm sorry I'm talking about traffic jams but some people's perceptions on here seem so simplistic so I thought I'd make a similar comparison about how I naively think other people's lives minus severe disability are aswell

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