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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
nulgirl · 18/08/2015 12:43

I'm so glad some sensible voices have come on the thread and it is being balanced against the two or three completely bonkers posters who have been so vocal. The mind boggles over how they can extrapolate that the poster just wants an easy life when he probably has one of the toughest deals going.

pocketsaviour · 18/08/2015 12:44

To everyone saying He's entitled to change his mind

Of course he is, but that's not what happened is it? Read the OP. He clearly states he has been untruthful for a easy life, oh sorry I meant to build his wife's false hopes spare her feelings.

Just to make it clear, I don't think his decision is in any way unreasonable or wrong, caring for a child with that level of SN is very very hard.

What I would be bloody furious about is being strung along with him going "oh I'm happy if we do, or if we don't" and only getting the truth when I said "Right I've ditched the pills, let's do this."

I would also be bloody furious about him plastering both kids names all over mumsnet so it was blatantly obvious to anyone who knew us, who we were.

Koalafications · 18/08/2015 12:44

It's the most bizarre thread I have read on MN in a while.

I'm reading some posts and just thinking "What has happened in your life for you to come to that conclusion?"

There are some very troubled posters.

Maryz · 18/08/2015 12:44

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EggOnTheFloor · 18/08/2015 12:46

I read through to page three and was so annoyed I had to post. However I am echo's the sentiments of owllady.

I have a disabled child, DH and I have a younger child. DH would love another child, I think I would struggle to cope.

I was really annoyed by the suggestion that you were selfish and taking away your wife's baby making wishes.

First of all, you haven't deceived anyone - you are entitled at any point to change your mind as to the size of the family, equally it has only been a discussion point for a year. It's not like the whole relationship has been a promise of many children (and even then I'd still say the OP was entitled to change his mind).

Ex's wife circumstances are also irrelevant. She is not part of the current household of the OP.

What I don't understand is why your wife, if she is so keen to expand the famy, she hasn't taken it onboard more to support the OP and his child? Clearly the caring responsibilities are huge for this dear boy, and although the OP has his son once or twice a week overnight there is also a lot of care during the week, which he helps with too. If his wife was being selfless she would assist him in caring for his son, she might also get a wake up call as to how demanding a toddler and the care of a disabled DC can be.

If the wife pushes for a third what will she do to ensure that the OP can still fulfil his current caring responsibilities - because it sounds like a further baby would cause the op difficulties in meeting his current mid-week caring commitments.

As for the wifes urges to have another child. Well, if she was prepared to put an urge before the existing children in this relationship then she's a bloody idiot IMO. Her daughter won't thank her for ruining this relationship over her burning desire to procreate further.

Plus it isn't like the wife didn't know what she was getting into. She knew well before she married the OP that he has a child. If she didn't like that then she shouldn't have stayed. Bit late to hold it against him now.

I must add, there isn't a bad guy in this situation, even despite my above assessment of the situation. It is quite simply that a couple have come to a disagreement about the size of the family - in this situation the two existing children have to come first. There has to be a compromise but having another child will place serious pressure on the OP. How is that fair at all?

If my DH said tomorrow that he couldn't cope without another child - I'd show him the door. My children, disabled and healthy, have to come first, before either mine or DH's need to have more children.

ShortandSweeter · 18/08/2015 12:46

..sadly, I knew exactly what I'd see posted from some people today after reading through this thread yesterday. Predictable biased shit. MN, your reputation as a den of bitterness is not getting any better.

OP, you have my sympathies- and although I cannot offer any advice that you haven't already received so far, you have my best wishes.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:46

After this thread I truly worry for my son when he grows up and the sorts of women he could get himself involved with.

Whathaveilost · 18/08/2015 12:47

Op I would leave this thread tbh

People don't know you are making their own assumptions and now are just being vile.
Fuck knows what their agenda is!

I don't think you have a paticularly easy life. I work with disabled children and like you say, something they dread the phone ringing from our place or school because they fear the worst.

If I was in your position I wouldn't want any more. I think you have made the right choice for you.

I see people going on about children being wort more than a few years hardship. I disagree. Your lad is not going to suddenly get better or independent. You know you have him like this for the rest if his or your life.

I don't think it has been an East deco on for you either. I was exactly the same but my DH wanted 4. I kept saying maybe when deep inside I knew there would be no more bit I thought that I may have had a change of heart. Some people could say that was lying to him. I say I was hoping yhat I would have a change of heart because I thought it was possible. After al I didn't want any but had two!

Any good luck how ever it works out.

thegreylady · 18/08/2015 12:47

You sound like a lovely man but... By denying your wife another child you are also denying your daughter a full sibling . If your wife married you, knowing about your son but expecting to have children with you (plural), then she has been grievously misled. I would not be surprised if she decided to leave with your dd in the hope of meeting someone with whom she can fulfil her wish for another child.
Your ds is your responsibility not hers and, while she might love him and share his care, she will grow to resent him for being the reason she cannot have the family she wants while your ex has just that.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 18/08/2015 12:48

It's just horrible. Some posters really need to take a look in the mirror.

Especially those who continued to berate after the OP posted a lengthy and eloquent description of how he struggles with his child's additional needs. And as Owllady said, it's fucking shameful that he had to 'justify' how he is feeling.

DaysAreWhereWeLive · 18/08/2015 12:48

Iamatotalandutteridiot your name is nowhere near strong enough. I don't get what you and Bathtime or whatever she is called are getting out of this.

Clearly your lovely black/white world has never been subject to any shade of grey. If that's the case, then you're very lucky. The unfortunate side effect is that you have not a shred of fucking humanity left in you.

Both of you, get to fuck. Horrible, horrible people.

SkullyCat · 18/08/2015 12:48

As a step mom and a mom to a disabled child, i just want to throw this in.

You dont go into a marriage with someone who already has children and a financial commitment to them without knowing that a set portion of your new partners money will NEVER be part of YOUR family pot.

You take your wages and whats left of theirs and you cut your cloth accordingly. Its dead money, you don't even consider it and if you see it as you ending up subsidising their ex, you shouldn't BE in the relationship because you're clearly not entering it with the right frame of mind.

Thats my 'step mom' opinion.

As a mom to a disabled child.. do you people honestly have ANY fucking idea how EXHAUSTING it is? How soul suckingly, emotionally, mentally and physically exhausting having to care 24 hours a day for a child with special needs is?

My sons disabilities are nothing like the OP's sons, my son can at least walk and talk and feed himself and i find coping with his day to day needs on what i DO have to do (washing, dressing, emotional/behavioural difficulties/never sleeping) hard work, i can't imagine, even for only 3 days a week on top of working full time AND taking care of a toddler is like for the OP... but i know i wouldn't like to try it.

I do feel sorry for his wife, but really, the OP is right, its not fair to deprive the two children they have in their care of anything for the sake of a third.

Bubblesinthesummer · 18/08/2015 12:49

caring for a child (or adult) with a severe disability. It's really shocking sad*

I agree and I say that as a disabled wheelchair user.

I agree with Maryz

Bath If you think putting a Grin after your sentence in your last post makes it less disgusting then you are wrong.

EggOnTheFloor · 18/08/2015 12:50

Forgot these Flowers for you OP.

You sound like a fantastic father.

wannaBe · 18/08/2015 12:50

there are a few posters on this thread who might benefit from a few years sessions of counselling to help them come to terms with their own issues towards men before they consider posting on these boards.... Hmm

itsraininginbaltimore · 18/08/2015 12:50

Could not agree more owllady

Bubblesinthesummer · 18/08/2015 12:51

Sorry epic copy and paste fail there, bur you get my jist Blush

shovetheholly · 18/08/2015 12:52

With the financial thing, I also think it's important to bear in mind that people have breaking points. How many posts do we hear about men or women who have been pushed so far beyond what is comfortable that they are about to walk out of the family door, and not return? It's a fair few.

What the OP is arguing for isn't some Las Vegas high-rollin' lifestyle. It's a little bit of basic dignity, the ability to do a few things that can make a huge difference between happiness and unhappiness. I've been abjectly poor. It is exhausting. If you are already struggling, the additional stress and strain of having to watch every single penny, to cook cheap meals from scratch, to go cold in the winter, sometimes to go hungry, to never to go out, to never be able to celebrate birthdays properly or to buy a nice present or even an ice cream as a treat, can be devastasting. I sometimes think poster on MN have either never experienced this, or have forgotten what a huge difference it can make.

Maryz · 18/08/2015 12:52

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GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 12:52

By denying your wife another child you are also denying your daughter a full sibling

And? People are talking like he's denying the child an education. Having a 'full' sibling is not a right. That little girl has a brother. Or is he not good enough because he's disabled.

I must go and tell all the parents who chose to have one baby that they've denied their child a sibling and how cruel they are.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 18/08/2015 12:53

The greylady for many children a half sibling is all they could ever dream of. Wtf should his daughter need a 'full' sibling? This bullshit does bugger all to make children in blended families feel loved and accepted or are you saying because OPs son is disabled he won't be aware he's not good enough?

BathtimeFunkster · 18/08/2015 12:53

She felt able, willing and happy to put marginally more in, in order for us to get a bigger house.

Presumably a bigger house for the bigger family she was planning, with your tacit agreement.

My heart breaks for her.

You have been so cruel.

The timing of your eventual "honesty" stinks.

You got everything lined up to suit yourself, then you dropped them bomb.

Now you've come to a mother's site, where only cursory lurking would reveal the "person who doesn't want another child has the veto" line, and you have gone looking for women to help you browbeat get into accepting what you have inflicted on her.

shovetheholly · 18/08/2015 12:53

I would also like to state my objection to the idea that a disabled child is less than a 'full' sibling. Hmm

WayneRooneysHair · 18/08/2015 12:54

This thread is bonkers.

OP you sound like you are making the best of what you have got and I don't blame you, caring for a disabled child and a sibling is hard, I should know as my parents went through it.

Some posters need to get a grip, my blood pressure has risen after reading this thread.

nulgirl · 18/08/2015 12:54

It's scary to think that there are people out there who are so self-absorbed and have such a lack of understanding and empathy.